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Indivisible Conservatism
The American Thinker ^ | February 15, 2011 | George Scaggs and Sibyl West

Posted on 02/15/2011 3:04:58 AM PST by Scanian

Fiscal doom is confronting us. More Americans are face to face with the fact that their government has grown so large and is amassing so much debt that future prosperity is seriously jeopardized. Consequently, a greater number of politicians are openly acknowledging that reality, jumping on the fiscal conservative bandwagon.

Bashing Washington (and all government for that matter) for its lack of fiscal restraint is becoming a popular sport and the opprobrium is certainly well deserved. Going unnoticed, however, are the many social factors that are contributing to our collective financial woes.

While many prognosticators contend that our situation is no more dire than it has been in the past, insisting that a few financial tweaks here and there should do the trick, this view ignores an entire set of uncomfortable realities that we have conveniently set aside over the last several generations, debates much of America considers long since settled.

Too many of us have become accustomed to shifting the dividing lines between the moral and the immoral, considering morality a matter of personal taste rather than actions that lead to either real success or to failure in life. Such feel good philosophy ignores the fact that these shifting standards have actually been producing cumulative economic consequences which will eventually summon a dramatic day of reckoning.

Though there is no longer any doubt that we must get our fiscal house in order, the cause of what ails us is not as clear. It is not merely a matter of economics. The effect has a cause, just like a symptom always has a disease at its root.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canard; financialwoes; fiscalrestraint; socialfactors

1 posted on 02/15/2011 3:05:04 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian
Imagine that?

Morality is related to financial solvency.

Responsible handling of money is but one element of a moral life.

This is only a news flash to the self-indulgent who have overwhelmed and nearly destroyed our society with their selfishness, deviance and wickedness.

2 posted on 02/15/2011 3:27:59 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority (What this country needs is an enema.)
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To: Scanian
from the article:

“Though there is no longer any doubt that we must get our fiscal house in order, the cause of what ails us is not as clear.”

Gee wiz pal, it's staring you right in the face. The cause of what ails us is called LIBERALISM!

3 posted on 02/15/2011 3:30:58 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority; Scanian

Conservatives like to say “You can have it all!”

They say it, and they mean it, but the underlying message is you must earn it, and that our country has the framework to allow you to do it if you have the gumption to do so.

Liberals like to say “You can have it all!”

They say it and they mean it, but they think you can have it all by getting the government to redistribute the money earned by the hard work of others, and using the power of government to put you in a position to get it regardless of your work ethic or talent level.


4 posted on 02/15/2011 3:32:39 AM PST by rlmorel (Now I have to change this tagline: "Weakness is provocative." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: Scanian

This article is right on but limited because of space. The authors use the term Progressives because that is the label the Communists are currently using. They also point out the symptoms and aftermath without naming the disease. That disease is Communism.

The Communists have been slowly undermining this country since the late 1800’s. They established a beachhead here to raise money for the Communist Party in Russia but once they successfully fomented a revolution in Russia they went after the rest of the world. Much of it they conquered militarily. They couldn’t conquer us militarily so they set about undermining our strengths. The chief of which was our moral values and self reliance. One by one they have attack each aspect of that and then set about socializing our very successful economic system of free enterprise. They are now going all out to bankrupt us.

Call it what it is - Communist subversion!


5 posted on 02/15/2011 3:41:02 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Scanian

I have always disagreed with this premise.
I actually think that the spending starts as a form of bribe to the public by those ALREADY IN POWER, as a way to STAY IN POWER.
It does not really BEGIN as a demand for boodle by the citizens.
Our present Kenyan ‘leader’ is an exception that may just prove the rule.
The REAL problem is a complete lack of applause for ANY politician who will cut ANY SPENDING WHATSOEVER.
Nobody wants persistant bad press. Nobody.


6 posted on 02/15/2011 3:43:00 AM PST by Flintlock
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To: Scanian

Gosh. The writers seem to have neglected several of the key components of the moral breakdown. Starting with the slaughter of more than fifty million of our fellow human beings.


7 posted on 02/15/2011 3:46:52 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The steering wheel is irrelevent once you've gone off the cliff.)
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To: Flintlock
I actually think that the spending starts as a form of bribe to the public by those ALREADY IN POWER, as a way to STAY IN POWER.

Look no further than our brave new Republican House majority. They are dithering over whether to cut $74B or $100B from the 2011 spending. Every 20 days they dither, we go another $100B in debt (avg $5B/day). The deficit this year will be ~$1.4T, depending on which liar you believe. They are no more connected to reality than Obama is with his budget.

I went to USAJOBS, which is presented as the site for Federal jobs. I queried on "Accountant", there are 166 job openings for Accountants in the federal government, many are 6+ figure jobs. Why is the Fed hiring anyone? Not only are they not cutting spending, they are not even flattening the growth curve.

8 posted on 02/15/2011 3:58:18 AM PST by IamConservative (Liberalism - the surety of knowing that which cannot be proven.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I really didn’t see much about “morality” in it.


9 posted on 02/15/2011 4:03:00 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: EternalVigilance

Which goes back further to the breakdown, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” “And that means you.”


10 posted on 02/15/2011 4:05:13 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
Too many of us have become accustomed to shifting the dividing lines between the moral and the immoral, considering morality a matter of personal taste rather than actions that lead to either real success or to failure in life. Such feel good philosophy ignores the fact that these shifting standards have actually been producing cumulative economic consequences which will eventually summon a dramatic day of reckoning.

Did you miss that?

Over the long term, changes in societal trends have created a demand for more government than we can afford, ...

Societal trends of immorality.

A moral, productive people are necessary to maintain a healthy society - you cannot have one without the other. They are wholly dependent upon one another, not upon government. At the end of the day, there simply is no adequate substitute for personal responsibility. Man cannot achieve as a dependent what he can achieve for himself

Not only are the social and the fiscal inseparable, to a large extent it is social conditions that are directly driving our economic dilemma. America has been fundamentally transformed (disintegrated) by progressive fashions and trends. Within the last several decades these trends broke up the family unit, said it wasn't needed anymore. Fathers were driven away for larger welfare payments. Mom was "liberated" and sent back to work. The stigma once connected to divorce and abortion was removed. Within all these shifts, we find the deliberate weakening of morality and an absence of personal responsibility at the heart of the matter.

That is just a sampling. The entire article was about our present situation being a direct result of our declining morality and sense of personal responsibility? I don't know how you missed that. What do you think it says?

11 posted on 02/15/2011 4:17:13 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Scanian

The Feds are no longer a servant to the States


12 posted on 02/15/2011 4:19:22 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

We have had surreptitious communists within our government since at least the days of Roosevelt and maybe longer. Now they are a lot more open about it. I sincerely believe, that Obama is a communist, he doesn’t outright say, “I’m a communist” but every action he takes, shows it.

When I was growing up, “communist” was a very bad word to call someone, not so much any more, today’s “enlightened”, think that it’s just another and acceptable political party.


13 posted on 02/15/2011 4:43:18 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: IamConservative
...”Look no further than our brave new Republican House majority. They are dithering over whether to cut $74B or $100B from the 2011 spending. Every 20 days they dither, we go another $100B in debt (avg $5B/day). The deficit this year will be ~$1.4T, depending on which liar you believe. They are no more connected to reality than Obama is with his budget.

I went to USAJOBS, which is presented as the site for Federal jobs. I queried on “Accountant”, there are 166 job openings for Accountants in the federal government, many are 6+ figure jobs. Why is the Fed hiring anyone? Not only are they not cutting spending, they are not even flattening the growth curve”...

We have so few real statesmen/women in office now and those who try to make moves to save the country are shouted down by those looking to the next election. I am resigned to watching my beloved country be destroyed by the greed of those who hold the highest government offices and those who are their cronies. Government should never be the biggest employer. Now, it is and it intends to overwhelm until all except the ruling class are paupers and slaves. Why? Because their appetite for power and money is insatiable..My question is this..Once they own the world, what will they do for titillation then?..Anyone want to look at history and guess at that one?

14 posted on 02/15/2011 4:43:18 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Graybeard58
Before Roosevelt there was Wilson who was heavily influenced by Marxists. FDR was surrounded by Communists including his wife Eleanor. Thomas Fleming wrote a book titled The New Dealers War: the war within WWII in which he made a convincing case that FDR entered the war and fought it in a way to support Joseph Stalin. Stalin was being threatened by Japan from the east and Hitler from the west. FDR assured his and Communism's survival.

Every Democrat President since, with the possible exception of Harry Truman, has actively furthered the Communist cause.

To get a good history of the beginning of Communism in this country do a search for Julius Hammer. He started the Communist Party USA in 1907, I think it was. He was sent here in the late 1800s by Vladimir Lenin to raise money for the Communists in Russia. A botched abortion, he was a doctor, lead to his imprisonment and to his son, Armand Hammer who took his place. You may recall him as the owner of Occidental Petroleum and Arm and Hammer Baking Soda among other enterprises. Armand Hammer was the precursor to George Soros and performed the same function of financing the spread of Communism in America. Hammer befriended and seduced, politically, Arthur Sulzberger, Publisher of the New York Times, and Albert Gore Sr. the Senator from Tennessee. Gore went from his farm in Tennessee to an entire floor of the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington with no visible change in financial circumstances. His son Al, Jr. took his place and is an active Communist agent. Global Warming is just one of their many fronts.

I wondered why Slick Willie selected Gore as his running mate. Both were from the South. Both were reasonably unknown. Now I know!

Obama's maternal grandparents were active members of the Communist Party and so was his mother. He was mentored and schooled in Communism as a child and young man in Hawaii by a man named Frank Marshall Davis, an avowed Communist and some say, a homosexual. Obama calls him Uncle Frank in his first book. Some also say he is actually Obama's sire and pictures of the two would make one agree. Pictures of Davis have become very rare.

Obama's supposed father, Soreoto the Kenyan, was also a Communist. His brother, Obama's uncle, was a leading Mau Mau in Kenya. The Mau Maus were a brutal gorilla outfit that would raid villages and with machetes chop off the arms and legs of the villagers, including women and children.

In Kenya and in Indonesia Obama attended Muslim schools, so he is schooled as a Communist and as a Muslim. In the United states he was and is surrounded by Communists in his inner circle, among them the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn, and many of the Chicago thug Socialists crowd.

You are right that Obama doesn't say he is a Communist or a Socialist, in fact he denies it. Despite calling himself a Muslim on George Stephanopolis's show he claims he is a Christian. His only connection with Christianity is his 22 years of attendance at Reverend Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where they preach Communism disguised as Christianity.

15 posted on 02/15/2011 8:39:35 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I see a little hand-waving without any compelling analysis. Too many people go to college incurring too much debt? I thought the bigger economic problem was the drop out rate. Actually, as far as morality goes, it’s the college-educated who are electing to get married and stay married, while less educated are eschewing marriage. Even abortion is difficult to argue in this context— China has forced abortion and is the economic paragon right now. On the other hand, vodka took a lot of the blame for the economic disaster that befell the USSR, but this article fails to mention drugs sapping the strength of the young and working class, let alone crime, gangs, etc. If they’re talking about demographic implosion, yes I see that, but that trend line was established a long time ago, before the last few decades. Besides I suspect the most eminently “moral” people around scruple to have only one child. Now if you take the point of view that “God governs in the affairs of men,” as Franklin did, even if cynically, and the country has turned its back on that foundational truth, then you have a chance to be coherent.


16 posted on 02/15/2011 6:51:58 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Either we are reading different things or we are talking past each other. Either way we are not communicating. Let’s leave it at that.


17 posted on 02/15/2011 7:48:12 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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