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To: butterdezillion

Instead of searching for a phantom Obama birth certificate, why not identify and secure all of the birth certificates from August 4, 1961?

Include the last three babies born on August 3, 1961 and the first three babies born on August 5, 1961.

One should be able to assemble a complete set in numerical order from August 3-August 5.


33 posted on 03/30/2011 9:03:24 PM PDT by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: bigoil

A few problems with that.

The HDOH will not disclose their 1961 birth index so it would be difficult to know the first name of the child born, just going from the birth announcements.

The birth announcements are nowhere near complete, even if the illegitimate births are accounted as lawfully being missing. The lists don’t match between the papers; there are births in one that never made it into the other. So the newspaper lists are not a true representation of all the children who were actually born, and it is questionable whether the lists came from the HDOH at all as a result of those discrepancies.

We would have to get the children who were born or their parents to request the BC’s for them, or to show what they’ve got. Locating them and getting them to cooperate would be very difficult.

And in the case of one particular child who we know was born on Aug 4 and died on Aug 5 - whose name is in the HDOH’s birth index and death index - the HDOH is claiming they don’t have a birth record.

IOW, Janice Okubo is the dragon sitting on the pile of treasure and she is not going to be bothered by the need to be either truthful or lawful.

Those are the obstacles.

The idea that you have, though, is exactly what needs to happen. The only way it CAN happen is through a legal investigation and subpoena of those records. And specifically the embedded logs which indicate when the records were created and what changes they have undergone since creation. Unfortunately, we have no law enforcement in this country that will touch this.


34 posted on 03/31/2011 5:54:09 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: bigoil

There’s one other difficulty as well. By law the local registrars were supposed to collect their BC’s for a week and then submit them all to the HDOH.

So the numbers that the BC’s were given are not necessarily related to what day the child was BORN but to what day the registrar (and it appears that the bigger hospitals had someone who acted as a local/deputized registrar) submitted the BC’s to the HDOH, since it was the HDOH who gave the BC#, on the “date filed” (for Oahu births). At least that’s what Janice Okubo has said.

So the sequential BC numbers could be totally out of whack with the actual birth dates and times.


36 posted on 03/31/2011 6:28:54 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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