Please make your claim and state whether you believe it's torture. Also, do you believe it to be effective in getting somebody to tell everything they know?
1 posted on
05/03/2011 1:53:09 PM PDT by
Mariner
To: Mariner
War Criminal #18 first to sign in.
2 posted on
05/03/2011 1:55:20 PM PDT by
Mariner
(USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
To: Mariner
So, how about you start us off. Have you been on the board?
I saw a fake waterboarding on a teevee show (Prison Break), and I was surprised that the victim’s face was covered with saran wrap.
I guess I really don’t get the whole concept, except that it is supposed to make you feel like you are drowning when you really aren’t.
So tell us what you know about it.
3 posted on
05/03/2011 1:58:43 PM PDT by
Semper911
(When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
To: Mariner
A neighbor of my wife's family, as a young man.
Became a doctor with a successful practice, lived past 90. Tragically hurt in a taxi accident, lingered months in pain before passing away.
4 posted on
05/03/2011 2:00:34 PM PDT by
kenavi
("Anything that can't stand up to ribbing isn't worth much to begin with." Eric Idle)
To: Mariner
My brother was boarded before going on an extended tour of Asia in the sixties...said he wouldn’t want it to be a daily practice, but it didn’t kill him. He was like that though. Never could talk about what he was doing, just doing his job.
5 posted on
05/03/2011 2:02:39 PM PDT by
jessduntno
(Liberalism is socialism in a party dress. And just as masculine.)
To: Mariner
I was in Army Intelligence for six years and later with another agency. What do you think?
6 posted on
05/03/2011 2:02:51 PM PDT by
2ndDivisionVet
(A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
To: Mariner
Not a waterboarder or boardee, but I bet OBL wishes that’s all that happened to him.
To: Mariner
That would be anybody who went to SERE. Probably quite a few here.
IMHO, if there’s no permanent physical injury, it’s not torture. Otherwise we’re arguing a sliding scale with nicely asking questions at one end, a standard (and legal) police interrogation further up, and so on. Anyone can define any point on that scale as being torture, and nobody’s opinion will have anymore validity than anybody else’s. A bleeding heart lib will say you frowned at him, so that’s torture, whereas a Mossad operator will probably have a much higher threshold.
To: Mariner
P-3 Aircrew Cold War Warrior here, water-boarded twice in SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance Excape).
Has to be the closest thing to drowning I've ever been, but after the training talked to the Navy Corpsman who's part of the routine it is to help "hold me down" - except he was checking my pulse rate throughout.
I spoofed them the second time and faked choking - they let me up.
Warner Springs in October. Brrrrr!
9 posted on
05/03/2011 2:10:52 PM PDT by
grobdriver
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To: Mariner
Waterboarded at Huachuca. Still have trouble swimming with my face down in the water. But then, I was crazy before the Army.
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12 posted on
05/03/2011 2:20:20 PM PDT by
magslinger
(What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
To: Mariner
E&E Course, back then as a 1st Lt..
13 posted on
05/03/2011 2:20:38 PM PDT by
Bringbackthedraft
(The storm clouds of war are on the horizon, 1939 is again approaching us.)
To: Mariner
SERE/CWST Brunswick, Maine ‘91... the winter of love, at 35 below, I would have snuggled with Keith Olbermann to keep warm... Water Boarding? that was for little girls compared to what we got.
30 posted on
05/03/2011 3:37:58 PM PDT by
AvOrdVet
("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
To: Mariner
If I “had” been I would never publicly or privately confirm it.
32 posted on
05/03/2011 3:40:31 PM PDT by
Kakaze
(Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
To: Mariner
Supposedly KSM was waterboarded how many times: 168??
Sooner or later you have to recognize that this contined treatment is horseshit and you’re not going to be allowed to die, so F’em, go with the plan!
33 posted on
05/03/2011 4:31:57 PM PDT by
Noob1999
(Loose lips sink ships!)
To: Mariner
Supposedly KSM was waterboarded how many times: 168??
Sooner or later you have to recognize that this contined treatment is horseshit and you’re not going to be allowed to die, so F’em, go with the plan!
34 posted on
05/03/2011 4:32:11 PM PDT by
Noob1999
(Loose lips sink ships!)
To: Mariner
BROKER was waterboarding Spring 1975 near San Diego courtesy of US Navy SERE School. We were in training for overseas assignments vulnerable to foreign capture and torture. My treatment was particularly severe in retribution for flipping an combatant officer over my shoulder to the dirt. On the board I passed out and scared these faux combatants.
Waterboarding is no big deal.
38 posted on
05/03/2011 6:25:37 PM PDT by
Broker
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