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Forget the spin. Taxpayers still on the hook for auto bailouts
Washington Examiner.com ^ | May 26,2011 | Examiner Editorial

Posted on 05/28/2011 4:06:57 PM PDT by Hojczyk

President Obama and two of his biggest union allies -- the United Auto Workers and the United Steelworkers -- plan to make the automotive bailout "a central issue" in the 2012 election, Politico reports. Republicans should view this as an opportunity. No issue better illustrates the deception, cronyism, disregard for the rule of law, and bad economic decisions of this White House than the auto bailouts. On Tuesday, Obama announced that Chrysler had paid back all "outstanding loans to the U.S. Treasury and American taxpayers." This is highly misleading. American taxpayers still own a 6.6 percent stake in Chrysler, which cost them nearly $2 billion. Chrysler would have to be worth six times its current value ($5 billion) for the government to break even.

Obama's statement also conveniently forgets the $1.9 billion loan that was erased when Chrysler declared bankruptcy in 2009, and the additional $1.5 billion loaned to Chrysler's suppliers. And don't forget that the only way Chrysler could secure the money to pay off the Treasury loan was by getting Obama Energy Secretary Steven Chu to promise the company an additional $3.5 billion for energy-efficient vehicles. In reality, Chrysler is simply in the process of substituting one government loan for another.

The story is no better at General Motors, which supposedly just posted its biggest profit in a decade this quarter. But GM did not make that money selling cars -- rather, it came from the one-time sale of a subsidiary company. GM had bought Delphi, one of its troubled suppliers, for $2.5 billion in 2009. Then Delphi dumped $6.25 billion worth of its pension obligations onto the federal government's Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. With those debts gone, GM sold Delphi for $3.8 billion this quarter. Voila -- huge profits for GM, all at the expense of the pensioners who fund and could someday depend on the PBGC (and possibly the taxpayers, too).

Despite these shady deals and accounting shell games, and despite the effective suspension of the rule of law that made the auto bailout possible, the Obama administration still hasn't made this deal worth the investment. According to the Government Accountability Office, U.S. taxpayers have spent $49.5 billion bailing out GM. They will likely never recoup the full $27 billion still tied up in the deal, especially considering that the entire company is only worth $46 billion. And the Chrysler situation is far worse: The government has spent $12.5 billion so far to bail out a $5 billion company. To whatever extent Americans understand the real story behind the auto bailouts, they will be an albatross around the neck of Obama's re-election prospects, not a political asset.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: autobailout; bailout; chrysler; fiat; freelazamataz; gm; governmentmotors; govtmotors; obama
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1 posted on 05/28/2011 4:06:59 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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Have the bond holders been made whole, or did we witness “distribution of wealth” to the Unions?


2 posted on 05/28/2011 4:09:17 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: SERKIT

Bond holders will never get anything..


3 posted on 05/28/2011 4:10:34 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
This article is grossly understated.

Was it business insider about a year ago that noted that if all parties were to be made whole GM would have to be about $134 a share if my memory is correct.

This thing is only working by the Grace of God, it is so messed up, from an accounting standpoint and contract law, the only think I can think of is the Lord is extending grace to those who are still in these companies, I can find no other reason, logic of business and accounting do not work here.

4 posted on 05/28/2011 4:12:58 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Hojczyk
Bond holders will never get anything..

Not even an offer to join the UAW?

5 posted on 05/28/2011 4:15:47 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Hojczyk

Half of the population doesn’t pay taxes, aren’t on the hook for anything, and don’t care that the other half is.


6 posted on 05/28/2011 4:18:18 PM PDT by The Good Doctor (Democracy is the only system where you can vote for a tax that you can avoid the obligation to pay.)
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To whatever extent Americans understand the real story behind the auto bailouts, they will be an albatross around the neck of Obama's re-election prospects, not a political asset

I doubt it, a majority of Americans are retards who have no business voting, which is the reason the Founders didn't put a right to vote in the Constitution.

7 posted on 05/28/2011 4:18:48 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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Read “The Creature from Jekyll Island.”

The name of the game is bailout!

http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/0912986395

This book scare the hell out of me.

(I am not a paid spokes man for this book, but I once stayed at a Holiday Inn!)


8 posted on 05/28/2011 4:24:10 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: occamrzr06

It SCARED the hell out of me too.


9 posted on 05/28/2011 4:25:23 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: Hojczyk

This is like paying off your Visa bill with your MasterCard...and it only works for a little while!


10 posted on 05/28/2011 4:28:03 PM PDT by oldsalt (There's no such thing as a free lunch.)
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To: Hojczyk

DEFUND corporate collectives. Let them live or die on their own. It’s 2011. Wake up.

Note what it (socialism) has done/is doing to us on its own and inside corporations (unions). Defund ALL socialist collectives. The U.S.A. becomes financially solvent and we become very low-taxed prosperous/productive citizens in a country which acts as a beacon for individual liberty.

In lieu of the other option, hang this albatross around the neck of every spineless POS politician.


11 posted on 05/28/2011 4:29:21 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: The Good Doctor; Rome2000; All

“Half of the population doesn’t pay taxes, aren’t on the hook for anything, and don’t care that the other half is.”

“I doubt it, a majority of Americans are retards who have no business voting, which is the reason the Founders didn’t put a right to vote in the Constitution.”

Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850...The Law...

Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter — by peaceful or revolutionary means — into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it.

Woe to the nation when this latter purpose prevails among the mass victims of lawful plunder when they, in turn, seize the power to make laws! Until that happens, the few practice lawful plunder upon the many, a common practice where the right to participate in the making of law is limited to a few persons. But then, participation in the making of law becomes universal. And then, men seek to balance their conflicting interests by universal plunder. Instead of rooting out the injustices found in society, they make these injustices general. As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.

It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for everyone to suffer a cruel retribution — some for their evilness, and some for their lack of understanding.

It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.


12 posted on 05/28/2011 4:36:26 PM PDT by PGalt
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13 posted on 05/28/2011 4:37:00 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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GRRRREAT post Hojczyk! Thanks to you and the Washington Examiner editorial board.


14 posted on 05/28/2011 4:37:44 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Rome2000
...a majority of Americans are retards who have no business voting...

I like that. I like that a lot! You should have to be over 40 and a land owner to vote. You should get multiple votes based on the amount of taxes you pay.
15 posted on 05/28/2011 4:46:18 PM PDT by 762X51
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FORGET THE SPIN - TAX PAYERS ARE ON THE HOOK FOR ALL OF THE SPENDING BY THE SOCIALIST USA GOVERNMENT! Not just this one. ALL of it.


16 posted on 05/28/2011 4:49:43 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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I vowed never to buy a GM vehicle again and I won’t.


17 posted on 05/28/2011 4:51:15 PM PDT by Greystoke
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” I like that. I like that a lot! You should have to be over 40 and a land owner to vote. “

So, by your lights, then, a 30-year-old Congressional Medal of Honor recipient, living in Base Housing, has no business having a ‘right’ to vote....

Or, if you decide he (or she) should be given ‘special dispensation’ of some kind, then (”You should get multiple votes based on the amount of taxes you pay.”) some lard-a## corporate exec who has never worn a uniform gets *more* of a say than he will....

BRAAAAKKK - Thanks for playing — please insert another quarter, and try again....


18 posted on 05/28/2011 4:56:46 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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Gee...wonder how our dual citizen (Canadian/US), GM bond LOSING friends will VOTE THIS TIME - they voted for Obomba last time....and they are retired....


19 posted on 05/28/2011 5:59:18 PM PDT by goodnesswins (...both islam and the democrat plantation thrive on poverty)
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To: Uncle Ike
So, by your lights, then, a 30-year-old Congressional Medal of Honor recipient, living in Base Housing, has no business having a ‘right’ to vote.... Or, if you decide he (or she) should be given ‘special dispensation’ of some kind, then (”You should get multiple votes based on the amount of taxes you pay.”) some lard-a## corporate exec who has never worn a uniform gets *more* of a say than he will.... BRAAAAKKK - Thanks for playing — please insert another quarter, and try again....

Oh heavens no, a 30 year old MoH recipient would definitely have the right to vote. The Lard Ass Executive, veteran or not, would also get more votes for paying more of the tab. I mean it's only fair that I should get to decide who gets special dispensation since you get to decide whose a retard.Since you accused most Americans of being retards I thought a solution to your problem was in order. Sorry I didn't spell out all the details and exemptions, but as you say, we can't have retards running this place!
20 posted on 05/28/2011 6:04:43 PM PDT by 762X51
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