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Only Sarah Palin can Derail Mitt Romney [Interesting Tea Leaves]
Pollinsider ^ | June 3, 2011 | pollinsider

Posted on 06/04/2011 10:32:13 AM PDT by GonzoII

Only Sarah Palin can Derail Mitt Romney

Posted: June 3, 2011 | Author: pollinsider | Filed under: General | 1 Comment »

So, I may be about to get Dick Morris on you, but my official prediction is that Obama will be facing either Romney or Palin in 2012. If Palin does not end up running, Mitt Romney wins the nomination.

First, if Sarah Palin does not run, Mitt Romney will be the nominee. I believe she will but, but of course many in the establishment see “no signs” that she is interested in such a race. Polling suggest that, surprisingly, Mitt Romney has the most to gain by Palin sitting out. Conventional wisdom suggests otherwise as Romney and Palin do not share the same power base. But polling tells a different story. A Public Policy Poll released yesterday shows the race tied at 16% for both Palin and Romney. Pawlenty and Cain follow close behind at 13% and 12%. But with a Palin exit, Romney goes from a tie with Palin and a 3% and 4% edge over the next two contenders and jumps to a 7 point lead over his closest 3 challengers (Bachmann, Pawlenty, Gingrich).

The big issue is, Palin voters have no clear second choice and split evenly among the field. Cain, who you might think would benefit most, fails to pick up a single point. Pawlenty also fails to pick up any of her support. Yet Romney, Gingrich, and Bachmann each pick up a tidy 4% a piece. Romney’s 4% helps him distance himself from Pawleny and Cain, while Bachmann and Gingrich’s 4% leaves them at the same 7% deficit they were at with Palin in the race. A CNN poll done at the same time showed similar results. Romney (19%) and Palin (15%) led the field with Paul back 6 points behinf Romney, and Gingrich and Cain back 8 points. With palin out, Romney’s lead grew 2% against the nearest competitor, Paul, who picked up nothing by a Palin exit. Cain still trailed by 8 points, and Gingrich slapped back to a 9 point defecit. And since I mentioned Dick Morris, I’ll throw in his numbers. He had Romney at 25%, Palin at 16%, and Gingrich at 11%. Without Palin, Romney grew to 30%, Gingrich to 15%, and everyone else less than 7%. So even here, a 9 Point race with palin in, became a 15-point race with her out.

When Huckabee left the race, Sarah Palin became the logical choice for most of his supporters. But Palin voters do not have a logical second home. There is Bachmann, who is basically a poor-man’s Palin. Cain is a tough one because they like what he says and his passion, but lacks the experience and where was he in 2010? Then there’s Gingrich who has been equally villified as Palin, but more deservedly so. And then there’s Romney, the guy “who can win.”

If Palin Runs as expected, it will be a close race to the finish between the two of them. So, why is Palin the only one who can derail Romney? First, see the above portion. When voters do not vote for Palin (so even is she runs but loses steam) her support drifts to Romney more than anybody else. With Palin in the race, voters will be forced to decide whether to coalesce around one conservative candidate and win, or break apart into multiple factions and hand the nomination to Romney.

Sarah Palin voters do not have a clear second candidate, and it is difficult for any of the candidates to sufficiently distinguish themselves from the others in a big enough fashion. For instance, if a Palin voter decides to go for another candidate, there is no real reason to choose a Cain over a Bachmann, Pawlenty, or Gingrich. Does one have significantly more ground support than the other? Can one raise more money than the other? All are clearly playing to the same base, but how can they separate themselves in enough of a fashion to catch up to Romney?

However, Palin has a much easier and, possibly only, road to victory. For starters, Palin is already tied with or within the Margin of Error of Mitt Romney. My guess is that she will probably even surpass him in some polls that take place after her current and well-received Road Trip. So she doesn’t have as much work to do as the other candidates. She is also the natural beneficiary of conservative voters deciding to get behind one candidate. She is easily the most popular among Very Conservative voters, who are typically the most active at this stage, and Tea Party activists. Because Palin has the largest grassroots capabilities, the best ability to raise funds, and has been the leading vocal opponent to Obama for the past 3 years, she is an easy, natural choice. It is more likely that a Cain supporter would fall towards Palin than Bachmann, and a Bachmann supporter to fall towards palin than Gingrich.

The irony is by running, Palin helps the entire non-Romney field by keeping Romney in the mid-teens in support and within a close distance to all of the candidates. By not running, she actually hurts the other candidates, and Romney benefits.

Can this change if Palin does not run? Can another candidate step up?

I don’t think so. The clear fact is that none of the candidates will be able to raise enough money to take on Romney and will not be able to generate enough ground support to take him on. At this stage, you are down 15 points if Palin is not in. How can you catch up? Huckabbe was unable to overcome the same problem in 2008. Other problems arise: Herman Cain has yet to be vetted, and has had little negative mention in the news. This will change if he continues to generate decent support. Remember, Cain had a daily radio show and there are hundreds of hours of tape just waiting to be sifted through. He has said (but walked back) a few controversial things on the campaign trail, and who knows what he has said on air? Bachmann gets unfairly compared to Sarah Palin based simply on gender. But in many ways, Bachmann actually is what the media has said Palin is. Whereas the media turns harmless Palin statements into controversies, Bachmann actually says controversial things. Her “Tea Party” state of the union address was over the top and stepped on the feet of Paul Ryan unneccesarily. And whereas Sarah Palin actually has a lot of experience, Bachmann has a resume that is less impressive than Obama’s. Finally, none of the candidates have been put through the ringer the way Palin, and yes, even Romney has. Palin has been searched every which way possible, so there is little new information that can be uncovered about her. Romney has been and is being seriously vetted by conservatives. But bachmann, Cain, and Gingrich are just a treasure trove of possible surprises waiting to happen. There may be nothing, but there is always something.



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"Palin is already tied with or within the Margin of Error of Mitt Romney. My guess is that she will probably even surpass him in some polls that take place after her current and well-received Road Trip. So she doesn’t have as much work to do as the other candidates. She is also the natural beneficiary of conservative voters deciding to get behind one candidate. She is easily the most popular among Very Conservative voters, who are typically the most active at this stage, and Tea Party activists. Because Palin has the largest grassroots capabilities, the best ability to raise funds, and has been the leading vocal opponent to Obama for the past 3 years, she is an easy, natural choice. It is more likely that a Cain supporter would fall towards Palin than Bachmann, and a Bachmann supporter to fall towards palin than Gingrich."
1 posted on 06/04/2011 10:32:17 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII
Sarah Louise Palin

Born February 11, 1964 in Sandpoint, ID (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Charles R Heath, born in ID
Sarah Sheeran, born in WI

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of her birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Sarah Palin is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama isn't!

67:12

2 posted on 06/04/2011 10:34:00 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: GonzoII

I disagree. Mitt was going to implode anyway. ALL he had going for him was name recognition - little love there whatsoever.

Now that he has opened his mouth, it’s just a matter of time before he Newts himself into oblivion.

Palin will hasten the process (and make it a lot more fun rather than merely exasperting). That said, all of this puts every candidate on notice that the old gig is up: if they want a prayer in this race, they better sign up for Tea Party principles and walk the walk.


3 posted on 06/04/2011 10:35:08 AM PDT by fightinJAG (I am sick of people adding their comments to titles in the title box. Thank you.)
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To: GonzoII

Sarah Palin [I] Tea Party vs romney [R] and commie obama [c].


4 posted on 06/04/2011 10:36:26 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: GonzoII
Romney is NOT the leader.

Romney's BIG DIG coverup.
Romney's RomneyCARE imposition.
Romney's love of TARP. and Global Warming.
Romney's Orders to the Clerks against the MASS Constitution.
Romney's Advancement of DNC Judges to free murderers.
Challenge: Fill in another ten.
June 2011 - American Karma finally ran over Romney's BS-DNC dogma.


5 posted on 06/04/2011 10:36:28 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: GonzoII
ROMNEY BBALL
6 posted on 06/04/2011 10:36:57 AM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: fightinJAG

Heh-heh

Romney is derailing himself.

Won`t admit Romney socialist Deathcare is a disaster AND global warming is man`s fault !

LOL


7 posted on 06/04/2011 10:37:48 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: GonzoII
Alex Beam: “In truth, Ronald Reagan
and Mitt Romney have as much in common
as Cardinal O’Malley and Conan O’Brien.
Deservedly or not, Reagan earned a reputation for constancy.
Once he turned against communism, he opposed it big-time.
…. And our former governor? Inconstancy, thy name is Mitt!
A woman’s right to choose? Yes! No! Yes!
Are we in Massachusetts? Yes! Are we in Iowa? No!
Are we on TV? Whatever!”

8 posted on 06/04/2011 10:39:42 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Diogenesis
What great front page that is. Says it all doesn't it.
9 posted on 06/04/2011 10:41:04 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: GonzoII

Milt Romney Walked with SUPERMAN



"Whereas most superheroes' secret identities (Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker) are their true identities
--the people they were before their parents were murdered or they were bitten by radioactive spiders
or exposed to gamma rays or what have you--Superman was born Superman.
It's Clark Kent that is the invented alias, the pose, the "costume."
And in the way Superman plays Kent--weak, self-doubting, cowardly--
we can see what he thinks of the human race overall.
It occurred to me that the same is true of Mitt Romney's desperate,
if never terribly persuasive, impersonation of a conservative Republican."
[from "Mitt Romney as Tarantino's Superman", New Republic]

10 posted on 06/04/2011 10:41:38 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: GonzoII
Cain & Palin!

Romney?....nah...can't do it.

11 posted on 06/04/2011 10:42:43 AM PDT by stboz
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To: GonzoII; Al B.; Covenantor; sarah fan UK; gov_bean_ counter; RedMDer; 2ndDivisionVet; PaleoBob

Sarah Palin voters do not have a clear second candidate,...........

CORRECT.

12 posted on 06/04/2011 10:43:11 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Diogenesis
PREFECT©

13 posted on 06/04/2011 10:44:25 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: GonzoII
Proven-Failed Governor Mitt Romney should be NOWHERE near government in the USA.

"As U.S. real output grew 13 percent between 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts trailed at 9 percent.
* Manufacturing employment fell 7 percent nationwide those years, but sank 14 percent under Romney, placing Massachusetts 48th among the states.
* Between fall 2003 and autumn 2006, U.S. job growth averaged 5.4 percent, nearly three times Massachusetts' anemic 1.9 percent pace.
* While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.
"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.
In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal."

[Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.]


14 posted on 06/04/2011 10:44:41 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: fightinJAG
Mitt just jumped on Global Warming.

Dude's toast.

15 posted on 06/04/2011 10:47:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: GonzoII

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16 posted on 06/04/2011 10:49:59 AM PDT by GlockLady
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To: Diogenesis

Thanks again for compiling all this data on Willard.
You’re doing great work!


17 posted on 06/04/2011 10:51:58 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: GonzoII

Oh horses patooties. Many of the others can beat Romney.

He is self destructing.


18 posted on 06/04/2011 10:52:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: GonzoII

Don’t think of this primary as a single party race. It isn’t. It’s about which side will control the Republican Party going into the future. Mitt, Newt, are the establishment. Sarah, Herman, Michelle, Tim and others are the Tea Party. Mitt is the chosen one of the establishment. We need one strong candidate up against Mitt when the voting starts, not a divided field of players. I hope the hopefuls realize that. We don’t need another McCain type of debacle.


19 posted on 06/04/2011 10:54:09 AM PDT by pallis
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To: fightinJAG
Well lets see in the past two weeks he said RomneyCare was just what the doctor ordered, Ethanol subsidies are great, and supports GW.

Yep, I think implode is accurate.

20 posted on 06/04/2011 10:58:29 AM PDT by WHBates
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