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Maybe now, nation can discuss reasonableness of assisted suicide (Barf alert)
Kentucky.com ^ | 6/19/11 | John M. Shotwell

Posted on 06/19/2011 2:21:18 PM PDT by wagglebee

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Kevorkian's own death can't be classified as martyrdom for his crusade since he expired, apparently and ironically, of natural causes.

These people are so twisted.

1 posted on 06/19/2011 2:21:21 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/19/2011 2:23:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 06/19/2011 2:24:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 06/19/2011 2:25:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I want ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to be done to preserve my life. This life is very short and I want to love it as long as possible.

I need this life to make amends, ask forgiveness to those I have wronged and unite with those whom I was close to at an early age.

To me, life is a gift and I tend to hold onto that gift as long as I possibly can.


5 posted on 06/19/2011 2:37:29 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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Assisted suicide is unquestionably wrong. The moment we cross that barrier, we will end up artificially ending the lives of those that don’t measure up to a certain societal standard.

Having said that, I also believe it to be wrong to try and extend life where there is no reasonable chance to save it.

By reasonable, I mean when all treatments are no longer holding death and disease at bay.


6 posted on 06/19/2011 2:59:43 PM PDT by Jonty30
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"Having said that, I also believe it to be wrong to try and extend life where there is no reasonable chance to save it."

I completely understand where you are coming from. I just went through the death of a 37 year old mother of 4, who had a brain aneurysm, with such force, it destroyed 1/2 her brain and pushed the other half crashing against her skull.

I cannot speak for others.....but for me, come hell and high waters, I'm coming back. I've already told my family to keep me alive, no matter WHAT anyone says.

If He thinks I and my family have had enough, he will end mine and my family's suffering. I WILL NOT leave it to a mere mortal to make such a decision.

7 posted on 06/19/2011 3:09:56 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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Having said that, I also believe it to be wrong to try and extend life where there is no reasonable chance to save it.

By reasonable, I mean when all treatments are no longer holding death and disease at bay.

NOBODY is suggesting that extraordinary means of life support be used for extensive periods of time (though it must be pointed out that food and water are NEVER considered "extraordinary" as they are required by everyone). The problem is when methods are used that are designed to end life.

8 posted on 06/19/2011 3:10:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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9 posted on 06/19/2011 3:13:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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I do not mean to deny bodily needs, right to the point of death. I’m talking about treatments that cost the user or tax payers, millions of dollars, just for a few months of life.

People need to remember that God created death. It serves a purpose within His creation. To try and stop the inevitable, at some point, is denying the very will of God.


10 posted on 06/19/2011 3:14:57 PM PDT by Jonty30
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"(though it must be pointed out that food and water are NEVER considered "extraordinary" as they are required by everyone)."

Unfortunately, I have seen that happen within recent years. They stop the food and water (me and my bff still talk about it to this day and consider it murder).

To deprive ANY living soul basic food and water, even if through drips, is killing them on purpose.

As my name states...."NoGrayZone". There is no gray area for me regarding the above.

11 posted on 06/19/2011 3:17:19 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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You should take a look at this:

Father Frank Pavone: Freedom to Die?


12 posted on 06/19/2011 4:07:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Father Pavone’s position is very similar to mine in principle. As treatments become accessible and affordable and effective use them. However, if a treatment is going to cause somebody else to go into economic bondage or deny somebody medical treatment that could lead to their death, I cannot, in good conscience, make use of it.


13 posted on 06/19/2011 4:30:09 PM PDT by Jonty30
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Father Pavone’s position is very similar to mine in principle. As treatments become accessible and affordable and effective use them. However, if a treatment is going to cause somebody else to go into economic bondage or deny somebody medical treatment that could lead to their death, I cannot, in good conscience, make use of it.


14 posted on 06/19/2011 4:30:17 PM PDT by Jonty30
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Father Pavone’s position is very similar to mine in principle. As treatments become accessible and affordable and effective use them. However, if a treatment is going to cause somebody else to go into economic bondage or deny somebody medical treatment that could lead to their death, I cannot, in good conscience, make use of it.


15 posted on 06/19/2011 4:30:21 PM PDT by Jonty30
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However, if a treatment is going to cause somebody else to go into economic bondage or deny somebody medical treatment that could lead to their death, I cannot, in good conscience, make use of it.

As with ALL technological advances medical treatments become less expensive as they are used; it is necessary to utilize these techniques as they are developed in order to make them better and more affordable. The cost of this is nearly always absorbed by hospitals and pharmaceutical companies.

And before you bring up the the Medicare crisis you need to realize that the problems ARE NOT because those on Medicare didn't pay in enough money, the problem is that less than a decade after Medicare was implemented a decision was made to murder 53 MILLION future taxpayers. ALL of America's economic problems exist because of our abandonment of pro-life principles, Social Security and Medicare would be fully solvent were it not for abortion.

16 posted on 06/19/2011 4:42:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Again, something from a mere mortal. Not ONE of us can know what His plan is.

What if He decides to keep someone. What if that procedure has only a 2% chance of working? Who do we think we mere mortals think we are?

We ARE NOT Him. Death is the wage of sin, in which we are ALL born into. However, if He decides a person would be better suited here on this upside down evil world, they will pull through.

If He has other plans for this person, He will relieve the pain and suffering to him/her and their family and do just that.

He is not the cause of death....satan is. satan rules our world and I cannot wait to get IT the HECK out of here!


17 posted on 06/19/2011 4:53:19 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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The decision to end a life is not the same as comforting a dying person. Deliberately ending a life takes death out of the hands of God. If God provided death as the end of life then it is His decision to end it, not someone playing God. A culture that denies God’s authority over life and death will always engage in the murder of innocents. Whether the person is an unborn infant or someone frail and sickly killing them is only acceptable in a Godless world.


18 posted on 06/19/2011 5:05:55 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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Very well said, I agree completely.
19 posted on 06/19/2011 5:08:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Liberal Democrats and their politicians first.


20 posted on 06/19/2011 5:10:47 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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