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Heroic 9/11 first respondents snubbed as they are denied an invitation to 10th anniv. of attacks
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Posted on 08/13/2011 9:02:53 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch

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To: Sporke
If they lived, they don’t quite qualify for hero status, since they were doing what they got paid for.

What utter bull. They could have gone into another profession that doesn't require as part of the job a willingness to go into dangerous and life-threatening situations to aid strangers. It is the act of dedication to potentially jeopardize their well-being for others every day on the job that is heroic, not being dead.

I’m about sick and tired of the whole 911 thing anyway. It was tragic, it was sad, but life goes on.

Life should not just go on - as the old saying goes, those that forget the past are condemned to repeat it. This nation should be reminded constantly that life changed, the jihad that tore across Europe has now come to these shores. Forgetting it, getting tired of it, means being complacent and saying f--- it about our future.

21 posted on 08/13/2011 10:43:40 PM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: InvisibleChurch

Every lawmaker should deny the invitation and give their seat to one of the heroes. I have a feeling, though, that they won’t want to go because of the snub and because of 0bmarama being there. Is W invited? Will he attend?


22 posted on 08/13/2011 10:48:07 PM PDT by peggybac
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To: Sporke
Something tells me I might regret posting this.... lol

Naw, you're popping a beer and laughing.

Maybe later you can yell "cripple" at someone in a wheelchair, too.

Your soul is empty, and it shows.

23 posted on 08/13/2011 10:50:13 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Goodbye Obama and Bloomberg.


24 posted on 08/13/2011 11:24:16 PM PDT by struggle
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To: Sporke

FWIW..I agree with you.


25 posted on 08/13/2011 11:26:12 PM PDT by Hildy (Hollywood liberals once embraced Communism "because they hadn't invented Pilates yet"- David Mamet)
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To: Sporke

FWIW..I agree with you.


26 posted on 08/13/2011 11:26:24 PM PDT by Hildy (Hollywood liberals once embraced Communism "because they hadn't invented Pilates yet"- David Mamet)
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To: Sporke
You don't get it.

No, not all first responders are heroes. Some are never called on to be a hero. Some, when they are, don't rise to it.

But the measure of a hero isn't whether or not they died. A lot of the time whether a hero lives or dies comes down to luck.

A hero is somebody who is willing to risk their life for others - not necessarily somebody who gave it. Obviously those who died did risk their lives, or they wouldn't have been there to die - but those who risked their lives and managed to get out are heroes too.

It's an awfully liberal show, but The West Wing had a wonderful thing to say about this at one stage.

"When after having heard the explosion from their practice facility they ran into the fire to help get people out... ran into the fire. The streets of heaven are too crowded with angels tonight. They're our students and our teachers and our parents and our friends. The streets of heaven are too crowded with angels, but every time we think we have measured our capacity to meet a challenge, we look up and we're reminded that that capacity may well be limitless. This is a time for American heroes. We will do what is hard. We will achieve what is great. This is a time for American heroes and we reach for the stars."

A hero is somebody who runs towards the danger when others are running away - to try to get to those who cannot run. A hero is somebody who when running away stops and lifts another onto their shoulders even though they make it less likely they will then escape. A hero is somebody who during an emergency makes the survival of others a higher priority than their own. They don't throw away their life - they risk it, and if need be, they spend it for something that they judged worth the price. But if they can save themselves, they'll save themselves as well.

Risk your life - spend your life - but save your life if you can at the end of the day and never, ever waste your life.

27 posted on 08/13/2011 11:31:54 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Sporke

Ayyyyy, you appear to be a Texan. Consider what happens when you kick a fire ant mound, which you just did around here.

Was Audie Murphy a hero? Yep.

Consider all the MoH recipients who are still alive. Are they heroes? Yassah, right up there with the ones who didn’t survive.

I cannot agree with your take on this. I think those who were fortunate to not die in the buildings but who did their jobs and tried to keep saving people are the same as those who were burned to death, or crushed in their fire trucks, or who had the building collapse under them, they are still my heroes.

Just my $.02 worth.


28 posted on 08/14/2011 12:15:34 AM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: Sporke

See that thing hanging around his neck? My friend, that man was a hero. He died in a plane crash, in 1971, long after he earned that honor.

29 posted on 08/14/2011 12:38:01 AM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
As usual (and to quote Glen Beck makes blood shoot from my eyes or being driven up the proverbial wall and I'm certain I am not alone in this way of thinking) whenever one reads about such an abomination, we NEVER get to know (and there MUST BE ONE or more) "Who" is the despicable party responsible.

Why is is so difficult to ask for the name(s) of whomever make these kinds of imbecilic decisions and publicly expose them, thereby, hopefully not only shaming them, but perhaps lead to their being opposed, ostracized and removed from whatever positions they hold.

30 posted on 08/14/2011 2:21:38 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I wish Barack Hussein Obama was the one not invited to this event. As far as the responders, if supporters wish to have a ceremony for them, insist on it. If the Nazi Bloomberg still refuses then hold your own event simultaneously at the smashed “globe” statue, which is stuck down at Batery Park and which the leftist pig who designed the “Freedom Tower” refuses to allow back on the site, having called it “didactic...it would tell us what to think.” Meaning, we might actually remember we were attacked by Islamofascists.


31 posted on 08/14/2011 2:57:34 AM PDT by montag813 (SECURE THE BORDER! http://www.StandwithArizona.com)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Obama and the DNC are FORCING 911 FIRST RESPONDERS OUT
because Obama says Moslems protected the WTC towers,
and that Moslems defended New Yorkers.

Obama and the DNC can’t let the entire group show
since that would PROVE they are not MOSLEM.

32 posted on 08/14/2011 4:53:33 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Sporke
I agree with you. This whole "hero" thing is way overboard.

Really? Did we have thousands of "heroes" that day? Or, Americans who did what they were supposed to do because it was the right thing?

They now want all kinds of tax dollars for every illness they get calling it a result of 9-11.

What about all the NY citizens who lived around that area immediately afterwards? Are they entitled to money as well?

I've had enough of "NYPD" and "NYFD" hats and tee-shirts. They aren't still fighting the fires or pulling people from the wreckage. Let's stop treating them as if they are.

33 posted on 08/14/2011 5:00:46 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: West Texas Chuck

Who is that? I would agree, he was a hero. Obviously he did put his life on the line.

I know the term “hero” is WAY WAY overused, for silly reasons most of the time, and the only time I use the word when I shouldn’t is when I think of Military Moms. To the day I die, they will be heroes. I know a Dad would worry about his sons/daughters in the Military, but it can’t compare to what a Mom goes through. I know I’m not man enough to be a Military Mom.


34 posted on 08/14/2011 5:11:33 AM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: InvisibleChurch
First responders will instead be asked back to the site at another day for a separate commemorative ceremony, according to officials.

So they WILL receive their day in the sun. What's the problem?

35 posted on 08/14/2011 5:20:09 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: InvisibleChurch

If they were “first respondents”, then they were doing their jobs. It would be nice if they were invited, but who doesn’t think that Obama is going to stack the event with his cronies and financial supporters? Of course he is. It’s a photo op, and fits perfectly with his re-election campaign. Maybe, if there are some spare seats, he’ll let a few of the respondents attend.


36 posted on 08/14/2011 5:20:28 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("I know that God's tomorrow will be better than today!" A. H. Ackley)
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To: Talisker

“Naw, you’re popping a beer and laughing.”

I don’t drink, and I’m not laughing. I suppose we all have different standards on what it means to be heroic, and we can debate that I suppose, but saying someone has an “empty soul” is a bit much.

When I comment on things here, I try to keep my emotions out of it, emotions while debating are not good, in my opinion.

I do feel for the first responders who died on 911, and I appreciate the work the others did that day, and the days afterward.

However, just because one worked for the NYFD or NYPD during that time, doesn’t give them Saint status, to ME. It’s fine if the city haves their little ceremony, I’m sure it will be a nice ceremony, but if the city puts it on, they can invite whomever they wish. First responders shouldn’t get automatic front of the line privileges unless it’s in their contracts.

Even if they are all “heroes” and did great things that day, and every day, they still should not get extra benefits unless they are offered to them willingly. It’s like someone who saves a driver of a car after a crash, then goes looking for a newscrew to tell of their actions. While what they did may have been heroic, their actions aftewards cheapens what they did.

In MY OPINION, a “hero” does his/her thing, then goes on with life, not expecting, and not allowing, endless rewards for their actions.

Once again, it’s my OPINION, and it may not be yours. I’m fine with that, and I hope your soul is full. As for mine, I’m sure it could be better than it is, but, I’m sure I’m not the only one in that catagory.

One final thought...this is a website for people to express their opinions on any number of topics. I expressed mine, and maybe not as gracefully as some. At the end of the day, it’s one opinion among thousands, and doesn’t mean much, but it is mine.

Have a lovely day! :)


37 posted on 08/14/2011 5:35:48 AM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: Ophiucus

“Forgetting it, getting tired of it, means being complacent and saying f-— it about our future.”

I will say this, and this is one of the few times I’ll allow my emotions into one of my posts....

Once the 911 families and the first responders started with the money grab from our govt., not only did my feelings on 911 change, they changed in a big way. I went from feeling sorry for them, and respecting them, to utter contempt for most of them.

I would venture to guess that 99% of them had insurance. It was the responsibility of THEM to pay for damages, not our govt, not with our tax money.

But once the big money grab started, they lost all respect from me, every bit of it.

We’ve lost close to 5,000 soldiers in our recent wars, and NOT ONE of them received the kind of money the 911 people did, and that’s not right, at all.

Vent off...


38 posted on 08/14/2011 5:47:22 AM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: knarf

It’s like living in Bizzaro World.


39 posted on 08/14/2011 5:57:20 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Freeper football "Free Men or Lickspittle". Ask me how and why!)
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To: mardi59

“Were you there that day?”

No. Did I watch what happened that day, yes.

This is not related but in a way I think it is....In 1979 my municipality had a tornado, and a few dozen died, and a good portion of the town was destroyed. In the hours and days after, I rode in a red cross truck, driving through the damaged neighborhoods, picking through debris, looking for survivors, and passing out food. Was I a hero or were my actions heroic...no...I was doing what needed to be done.

Should I be ashamed of myself for what I posted on this site? No, I don’t think so. I posted what I thought on this topic. Could I be totally wrong? Absolutely. I’ve been wrong before and I’ll be wrong again. But my thoughts are honest ones, I didn’t post what I did just to get a reaction from folks, although I knew I was going to get reactions.

Am I sorry? No. I didn’t fly those planes into those buildings. If you were offended by my earlier post, then that’s just the way it goes I guess. That wasn’t my intention. Having said that, this is a site for opinions, and chances are good you won’t agree with every single one.

I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of the phrase “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me” but that phrase has served me well over the years. I cordially invite you to put that phrase to work in your own life. :)


40 posted on 08/14/2011 6:10:42 AM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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