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To: tutstar; All

Let’s consider a thought problem here for a moment...strictly for conversational purposes.

Let us say that next February, undeniable and unshakable, proven public proof that Obama was not only ineligible to even run for President, but calls into question his eligibility to run for his former Senate seat as well.

Then what?? Someone explain to me exactly what they think would happen next, if anything.

I don’t think there would be any more support for Premier Hussein’s impeachment beyond the Republicans in the House, and I am not convinced that all of them would vote to impeach. Even if they did, the Democrats and all of the RINO Republicans in the Senate would never in a million years vote to convict.

And even if Hussein was impeached, convicted and removed from office before the election, who here has warm fuzzy feelings about Joe Biden ascending to the Presidency and perhaps naming Nancy Pelosi as his Veep??

Thomas Jefferson wrote in his “Notes on the State of Virginia”: “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten hold of us. It is better to keep the wolf out of the fold than to trust to drawing his teeth and talons after he shall have entered.”

I fear that because we collectively allowed a very talented face-dancer to casually work around our election laws, we now have the wolf in our midst and as Jefferson pointed out it will be much harder to do something about it after the fact.

I also fear that the Country has suffered such grave economic damage from this community agitator and his Communist friends that we are in much more danger than many would care to admit and that even more damage is going to be done before we can get them out of office in January 2013.


20 posted on 08/30/2011 6:12:07 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep saying it.....)
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To: Bean Counter; LucyT; Fred Nerks
Let us say that next February, undeniable and unshakable, proven public proof that Obama was not only ineligible to even run for President . . . .

I don’t think there would be any more support for Premier Hussein’s impeachment beyond the Republicans in the House, and I am not convinced that all of them would vote to impeach. Even if they did, the Democrats and all of the RINO Republicans in the Senate would never in a million years vote to convict.

If your fundamental premise is correct--he is not eligible to hold the office of President; then impeachment does not lie against him.

Impeachment is the remedy to remove someone who holds the office of President. The legal result under Supreme Court precedents that are fairly clear is that if he is not eligible to hold the office, he is not there even if that is where he physically goes to work for some period. He isn't President--therefore no impeachment.

And to follow along with the part of your inquiry I didn't quote, the consequences are these: Joe Biden is Acting President, not President nor Vice President; those of Obama's acts which require a President (appointment of Supreme Court justices; signatures approving legislation which legislation would not have become law without his signature such as bills where Congress adjourned after passage and before he signed the bill; military orders) are void.

And at that point, he is simply a squatter in the White House until he is removed by appropriate process.

The way you would get to that position legally would be the result of a proceeding in which a person with standing pursued a legal action to invalidate some specific act as President.

An effective challenge to a military order would work and lots of individual members of the military would have standing but that is a careful legal proceeding and so far, where the officer had standing and effective representation, the military has withdrawn the order.

Another effective challenge would be by a party to a Supreme Court appeal who challenged participation of Sotomayor or Keagan in an appeal to which that person was a party.

26 posted on 08/30/2011 6:40:02 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: Bean Counter

I don’t know about warm and fuzzy, but I would trade Obama for Biden, even Biden/Pelosi, in a second.

People who think Biden would be as bad as Obama don’t understand the situation we are in.


88 posted on 08/30/2011 9:48:16 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Bean Counter
"Let us say that next February, undeniable and unshakable, proven public proof that Obama was not only ineligible to even run for President, but calls into question his eligibility to run for his former Senate seat as well. Then what?? Someone explain to me exactly what they think would happen next, if anything. I don’t think there would be any more support for Premier Hussein’s impeachment beyond the Republicans in the House, and I am not convinced that all of them would vote to impeach. Even if they did, the Democrats and all of the RINO Republicans in the Senate would never in a million years vote to convict.

If there was truly "undeniable and unshakable, proven public proof", I think most representatives (aside from those from liberal moonbat districts) would vote to impeach and all the Senators up for election in 2012 WOULD vote to convict. Obama has not endeared himself to congressional democrats and they might well make the (IMHO correct) calculation that it is "him or me". Political survival will trump party loyalty.

Now whether the Republicans (excluding Snowe and her like) and the democrats up for re-election would come to two-thirds, I'm not sure. If it's close, I'm sure a RAT or two will be convinced to "retire", which would leave them free to vote against conviction.

But, yes - the prospect of a President Biden is truly terrifying.

108 posted on 08/30/2011 11:06:35 AM PDT by In Maryland ("If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" - Mark Twain)
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