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To: rabscuttle385

Benito Mussolini’s father was a Communist with whom young Benito would often argue.

Young Mussolini thought his father was right that corrupt and greedy businesses should be nationalized. But Benito didn’t think *all* businessmen were corrupt and greedy. The ones who weren’t should keep their property.

He called this idea “Fascism”. Benito basically codified a tyrannical method of ruling.

But Fascism isn’t a government any more than Marriage is a type of religion. Fascism is a way of ruling.

The Fascist period of a Communist state is very short - because they nationalize everything overnight. In Nazi Germany it was a much more slow process - but eventually all property would have ended up in the hands of party bigwigs just like in Communist Russia.


6 posted on 09/21/2011 8:09:54 AM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Tzimisce
Here is a little quote written in 1938 from Homage to Catalonia, by George Orwell:
In reality, it was the Communists above all others who prevented revolution in Spain. Later, when the Right Wing forces were in full control, the Communists showed themselves willing to go a great deal further than the Liberals in hunting down revolutionary leaders.

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Between the Communists and those who claim to stand to the Left of them there is a real difference. The Communists hold that Fascism can be beaten by alliance with sections of the capitalist class (the Popular Front); their opponents hold that this maneuver simply gives Fascism new breeding-grounds. The question has got to be settled; to make the wrong decision may be to land ourselves in for centuries of semi-slavery.

I don't think it's hard to see the genesis of Animal Farm in this idea. Of course, Orwell, being a socialist, had no idea that it was members of the German banking community in the Bund der Gerechten who had cooked up "communism" in the first place. It always was a collectivist dream that concentrated wealth in the hands of the state, serving only the interests of those who control it.
7 posted on 09/21/2011 8:37:21 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Tzimisce; Carry_Okie

Great posts both of you.

None of the systems developed and described by Europeans as you provided samples for are American. It is clear, I think by History, that communism, fascism, socialism, oligarchies, tyrannies and monarchies as known, analyzed and practiced in Europe are all without any parallel in America.

American forms of all those things are wholly different in dynamic and genesis. The Oneida community is unmatched by Europeans, as were Shakers. Americans do not tolerate an instant European forms of organization in private or public.


8 posted on 09/21/2011 8:47:18 AM PDT by bvw
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