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To: Pelham
Me: “So-o-o-o....why didn’t Goldwater run as a DemocRAT?”

You:Because he was a Republican.

LOL! Oh.

You: A western Republican who had more in common with the conservative southern Democrats of the 1960s than he did with the liberal eastern establishment Republicans who dominated the GOP and who worked actively to defeat him.

If he had more in common with the Conservative southern DemocRATS than he did with the Liberal eastern Establishment Republicans, why was he a Republican at all? Who was the Southern Conservative dominated RAT candidate in 1964? If memory serves it was a Conservative (by your logic) Southerner named Lyndon Baines Johnson. The man who gave us The Great Society, The War On Poverty, and other government-expanding programs that have only served to shackle blacks in dependency and substandard living conditions for decades.

Further, if the Eastern Establishment Republicans dominated the GOP, how did he become the Republican nominee for President?

Your argument simply makes no sense.

40 posted on 10/10/2011 10:52:00 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

” If memory serves it was a Conservative (by your logic) Southerner named Lyndon Baines Johnson.”

That’s not my logic. In fact that’s not logic at all, you’re using the common fallacy of petitio principii, “begging the question”. A good book on logical fallacies would benefit you, although the downside is that it would make your posts less entertaining.

Lyndon Johnson was a protege of FDR and as liberal as he could be. This set him far apart from the majority of Democrats in the south. Just as Barry Goldwater’s western conservatism set him far apart from the eastern establishment that ran the GOP in the 1960s.

And to inject a bit of history into your cartoonish rendering of Johnson’s Presidency, it was only with the cooperation of GOP liberals that Johnson’s Great Society programs passed.

Even the moderate Everett Dirksen was guilty of assisting Johnson in the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, something Goldwater voted against. That’s the same Goldwater that Reagan supported with The Speech that started his political career.

“Further, if the Eastern Establishment Republicans dominated the GOP, how did he (Goldwater) become the Republican nominee for President? Your argument simply makes no sense.”

You mean you don’t know? Well the same William Rusher you were pretending to know up the thread wrote a book on how he, Rusher, and a small dedicated group of conservatives formed the Draft Goldwater Committee and won Barry the nomination against the fierce opposition of the Republican establishment.

It’s titled “The Rise of the Right”. Get that and a copy of “Copi’s Logic”. Make sure you read them instead of using them as doorstops.


42 posted on 10/10/2011 11:52:48 AM PDT by Pelham (Immigrating America into just one more Latin American country.)
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