Posted on 10/24/2011 10:01:03 AM PDT by KOZ.
The Pope appoints each individual within this group. And accordingly speak on his behalf.
As an organism 'of the Holy See', the Council is first and foremost at the service of the Holy Father and also collaborates with other departments of the 'Roman Curia.' (see below)
Because of the interest of the Holy See in the work of the United Nations, the Pontifical Council, in collaboration with the Secretariat of State, has frequent contacts with ‘the United Nations’ and its ‘specialized agencies’, especially at the time of the major international conferences.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_pro_20011004_en.html THE ROMAN CURIA In exercising supreme, full, and immediate power in the ‘universal Church’, the Roman pontiff makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which,... therefore,... perform their duties ‘in his name’ and ‘with his authority’ for the good of the churches and in the service of the sacred pastors. CHRISTUS DOMINUS, 9 http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/index.htm
What???? Think your mistaken they have no authority...look again from the Vatican site...
The Pope appoints each individual within this group. And accordingly speak on his behalf.
As an organism ‘of the Holy See’, the Council is first and foremost at the service of the Holy Father and also collaborates with other departments of the ‘Roman Curia.’ (see below)
Because of the interest of the Holy See in the work of the United Nations, the Pontifical Council, in collaboration with the Secretariat of State, has frequent contacts with ‘the United Nations’ and its ‘specialized agencies’, especially at the time of the major international conferences.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_pro_20011004_en.html THE ROMAN CURIA In exercising supreme, full, and immediate power in the ‘universal Church’, the Roman pontiff makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which,... therefore,... perform their duties ‘in his name’ and ‘with his authority’ for the good of the churches and in the service of the sacred pastors. CHRISTUS DOMINUS, 9 http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/index.htm
DmanA....I just visited the Vatican site today on reading about this...you are correct they do indeed speak for the Pope...and He appoints each individual to that council.
I also found that link interesting even into it’s formation and the authority it’s given.
However I do think we’re going to see many catholics excusing or defending the Pope and this council as well...they will most assurredly claim “victimhood” and the world is out to ge them. Unfortunately doing so because it is sooo difficult for them to see what they’re church is actually doing.
Don’t understand why catholics are always claiming they are “victims” when their leadership clearly and without question have established ‘a document’ by those the Vatican appoints to speak on it’s behalf, and make it public for it’s members to see.
Then there’s a mad rush to say that it’s not true...and the gibberish and confoggled attempts to protect themselves from the truth begins.
It isn’t people are catholic bashing, though they’d like us all to believe that, it’s what the leadership is doing and stating that people are objecting to.....it’s really not as confusing as it most assuredly will become.
I’m just confused. Who are these people. They get paid a salary by the Roman Church right? Why do we listen to any Catholic authority? Does random junk come out of this Church? How is anyone to know what to take seriously and what to toss in the dumpster?
Ok, just ignore anything that comes out of Rome. I can do that.
Well we shouldn't but many do without checking it out to see if what's being said is so according to the source of Gods standards....ya check with the Lord and then with the scriptures and He'll tell you the truth.
I got fed up with all the "messages" and finally went to the source of all truth. I was not disappointed... and neither will anyone else be if they just take the time, ask, and read. I think God knows when we get fed up and we finally go to Him.
Placemark.
Ok, just ignore anything that comes out of Rome. I can do that.
It seems to me that it's non-Catholics who are claiming to be the victims here. On the one hand, you're outraged that the Pope claims to stand for the truth. How dictatorial, how arrogant. Yet you're also outraged that he doesn't enforce a unified line of academic thought. The institution the Pope heads, like any college of intellectuals, contains some mild (by European or Obama Administration standards) Lefty nuttiness. Christ Himself did His work happily surrounded by men who had a lot of mistaken opinions to start with, most of whom turned out all right. The Church has never been eager to yank up the tares and damage the wheat in the process.
You've had more than 2,000 years to get used to this idea, keep trying: The Pope is the Vicar of Christ. When he speaks on what really matters, which is faith and morals, he is authoritative and—Catholics believe—infallible. For the other stuff, you're on your own. I remind you that Christ Himself stayed out of policy questions ("Render unto Caesar . . .") I'm sure you can handle that.
The inference intended was man's fallen state and our propensity to shape worship to our sensibility.
I have no doubts regarding the Holy Trinity and scripture.
I do however have a bit of a hiccup with the deification of man.
We see this so much in our society these days. Marginalizing the deity and deification of humans. Kinda makes me cringe.
I recognize the potentialfor becoming victims. Our Catholic FRfriends assure us the people behind this are a tiny group of radical nuts. Ok, I am reassured. But a nasty, virulent idea IS moving around the halls of the Vatican. If, God forbid, it was embraced and the great influence of the Vatican thrown placed behind it, it would be very very bad.
I recognize the potential for becoming victims. Our Catholic FRfriends assure us the people behind this are a tiny group of radical nuts. Ok, I am reassured.
But a nasty, virulent idea IS moving around the halls of the Vatican. If, God forbid, it was embraced and the great influence of the Vatican thrown placed behind it, it would be very very bad.
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