Posted on 10/24/2011 10:08:33 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
According to reports in Israel’s Hebrew-language media, the IDF is expected to recommend Israel make 'gestures' to the Palestinian Authority in order to bolster its stature following last week's deal with Hamas to free 1,027 terrorists for Gilad Shalit.
The Shalit deal was widely hailed as a stunning victory for Gaza's ruling Hamas terror organization, launching them back to the fore of the Israeli-Arab milieu and rendering them stratospherically ascendant over rival PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement.
Some analysts have suggested Israel's leaders timed the Shalit deal in such a way as to punish Abbas for his September statehood bid at the United Nations, which was totally eclipsed in the media by Shalit's release.
One report quoted an advisor to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu as saying, "We don't want the collapse of the Palestinian Authority, but if it happens, it won't be the end of the world."
Nevertheless, the ruling zeitgeist in the IDF’s senior echelons are leading it to recommend the release of Fatah prisoners, releasing the bodies of terrorists to the PA, and handing more security authority to the PA in Judea and Samaria - even as Israel's security forces are on high alert amid new attacks in the wake of the Shalit deal.
Yesha Council chairman Danny Dayan reacted strongly to reports of the IDF's proposed gestures to prop up Abbas' PA following last week's release of the first 477 terrorists to Hamas in exchange for Shalit.
Speaking to Arutz Sheva's Hebrew service, Dayan said, "I would expect the army's line of thought would be how to hit Hamas now and not how to strengthen the PA. A blow to Hamas is essential now from another standpoint, that of punishment for abducting Shalit and as a deterrent against other kidnappings.
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We concede that the PA is every bit as dastardly as Hamas.
We concede that the PA, too, is committed to our destruction, and not a partner for peace, piece, or negotiations of any kind.
We concede that Oslo is no longer on life support, but completely dead.
We agree to make the leadership of both Hamas and Fatah as dead as the Oslo Accord.
We hereby annex Judah and Samaria. We've just invaded...no, just finished securing Ghaza. Oh, goody. They're herding all Hamas honchos out of doors and shooting them like rabid dogs. Celebrations to follow. Later, we'll thank Gilad Shalit for the debriefing he gave Mossad that made it all possible.
“Nevertheless, the ruling zeitgeist in the IDF’s senior echelons are leading it to recommend the release of Fatah prisoners, releasing the bodies of terrorists to the PA, and handing more security authority to the PA in Judea and Samaria - even as Israel’s security forces are on high alert amid new attacks in the wake of the Shalit deal.”
My opinion says that these Leftist IDF senior commanders are drinking the Flavor Aid again and need to be arrested, tried for treason, and sentenced to serving the rest of their lives in prison. This move is guaranteed to get the bloodthirsty, Palie wolves salivating and using it to their advantage to murder more Jews. It happens every time they try this.
It’s pretty obvious those Jews at the top don’t mind seeing their fellow Jews being murdered at the cost of creating a Leftist utopia that will only lead to their own genocide.
Release Fatah prisoners, but don’t tell them about the loose step on the long, winding staircase, or the loose chimp who will jump on them right as they step on it. They fall and break their necks. Release their bodies to the PA. See. Compromise is possible. All you need is a loose step and a chimp.
Annexation of Lebanon (about the only way to cleanse it of Hezbollah), the western edges of Syria and Jordan (two worthless POS countries anyway), along with the Sinai... and absolutely no "Palestine!"
Yes, I know it's very likely never going to happen, but a LARGER Israel is a SAFER Israel.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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Sorry, I doubt FR would let me post pictures of the appropriate gestures.
I am one of those "analysts" though I merely just post on FR. I said negotiating directly with Hamas undermines the PLO/PA in the eyes of the Palestinian people, and is an embarrassment to the PLO Leadership. It basically forces the PA to take a step or two towards Israel's position, or a step or two towards Hamas. If they step towards, maybe they can get a concession such as accpeting Israel as a Jewish state. If they step back, maybe you get more terror or you get at very least obstinance which is a diplomatic win for Israel because it makes PA/PLO look like babies.
Of course there is risk the PLO/PA will collapse. But whether that is worse than the current situation, who knows. Israel is probably best to not make a deal unless it is a perfect deal and in the meantime to do what it can to appease the west while laying traps for PLO/PA.
Here is my previous post: www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2791454/posts?page=39#39
Your prior post is no longer on the server. But I for one believe the PA collapsing, while probably in the short-term causing more violence, in the long term is worth risking. As it is, we are soon to have more violence in any event, thanks to the release of Hamas prisoners.
The bottom line is, Oslo was probably never even intended to make peace in Israel, but rather in Jordan, by giving the commandos who had been trying to overthrow the Hashemite dynasty a fiefdom of their own. Neither the Jews nor the Palestinians have benefited from this, except to the extent that the Jordanian monarchy is preferable to a Syrian-backed PLO dictatorship. But for both Jews and Palestinians, the present PLO dictatorship has been a disaster. Bethlehem is on its way to being Christian-free. PA Arabs must pay exorbitant bribes to earn a living and go through check points and curfews that would have been at least much lighter before the First and Second Intifadas. For Jews, it has meant two intifadas and the dead and the maimed from both of them, a barrage of bad press that’s filled with gross lies and distortions, and an alienation between mitnahalim and their government that is getting worse with every home bull-dozed and every Jew imprisoned simply for defending himself (I refer here to the Bet Shalom incident) simply because the media and the Left demand it.
Your prior post is no longer on the server. But I for one believe the PA collapsing, while probably in the short-term causing more violence, in the long term is worth risking. As it is, we are soon to have more violence in any event, thanks to the release of Hamas prisoners.
The bottom line is, Oslo was probably never even intended to make peace in Israel, but rather in Jordan, by giving the commandos who had been trying to overthrow the Hashemite dynasty a fiefdom of their own. Neither the Jews nor the Palestinians have benefited from this, except to the extent that the Jordanian monarchy is preferable to a Syrian-backed PLO dictatorship. But for both Jews and Palestinians, the present PLO dictatorship has been a disaster. Bethlehem is on its way to being Christian-free. PA Arabs must pay exorbitant bribes to earn a living and go through check points and curfews that would have been at least much lighter before the First and Second Intifadas. For Jews, it has meant two intifadas and the dead and the maimed from both of them, a barrage of bad press that’s filled with gross lies and distortions, and an alienation between mitnahalim and their government that is getting worse with every home bull-dozed and every Jew imprisoned simply for defending himself (I refer here to the Bet Shalom incident) simply because the media and the Left demand it.
In contrast, if the PA would disintegrate or fall to Hamas, there would be outright war, but if that war would result in the complete destruction of Hamas, the way would then be free to annex Judah and Samaria, and do some damned thing or other with Ghaza, the former of which would greatly benefit both Jew and Arab. The latter...enh. Who knows?
This is what I wrote in part at the time:
Negotiating with Hamas directly is a slap in the face to the PA/PLO. This undermines the PA and makes Hamas relevant politically. Now of course, the PA/PLO is going to do its best to save face and claim that this shows the “unity pact” is working blah blah blah. I haven’t fully thought this through but I wonder if this is one of the many ways in which the PA/PLO is to be “punished” for pushing its actions in the UN instead of negotiating with Israel directly. Elevating Hamas is really not in anyone’s interest, unless of course they mollify their stance. But if Israel takes the stance that as far as end game goes there is no difference between Hamas and PA/PLO, Israel can begin to gain leverage.
What I mean by this is, for example, we believe that the PA/PLO will never accept Israel as a Jewish state, and in fact even if they sign a peace deal they won’t mean it it is just part of their “stages plan” to destroy Israel in smaller steps. If Israel takes this position, then the only difference between Hamas and PA/PLO is one of tactics. Israel may as well begin to open a line directly and openly with Hamas and drive a wedge further between Gaza and West Bank, and Hamas and PLO. This forces the PLO to take one of two actions - to become more compromising, or to escalate. If they escalate they only validate Israel’s position that they never really wanted peace. If they become more compromising, Israel can demand concession such as the PLO/PA will have to accept Israel as a Jewish state, agreement between parties will settle all disputes including refugee issue, etc.
With the Quartet pushing Israel to get something done in 15 months, they have to act fast. The US may not hold a PA/PLO bid at the UN forever. Israel needs to get creative and bold here.”
Like the last paragraph especially. Gordion knot. Calling Alexander.
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