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Posted on 10/28/2011 2:49:28 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
I noticed you conveniently left out the reference to YOU, stephenjohnbanker, calling me a RINO WHORE and then quoting Bible verses to me. Typical Liberal tactic. Try to destroy with half truths and facts.
I voted for Rubio because I wasn’t going to vote for Crist, but Rubio has said that Mel Martinez is his good friend as well as the Diaz Balart brothers. All pro amnesty.
Cubans are not liked by other “hispanics” and Rubio knows it. Mexicans, etc., are not going to vote GOP because Rubio is on the ticket quite the contrary, imho.
I believe Marco Rubio is an establishment GOP and very ambitious, if not he would already have said that the reason he is not running for higher office, is that he is not natural born. He speaks of fiscal responsibility but that’s it...and we have a lot of other important issues he could be addressing with his usual fervor.
He never “turned” he was always an amnesty guy. He IS very ambitious and like all ambitious pols he should be watched closely. He speaks very well but there are others....
You are right. Jeb Bush is married to a Mexican and we still don’t get the hispanic vote in FL. The Cubans are the ones that vote en masse for conservatives every single time. Rubio should not be trusted and watched very closely. Remember he didn’t want to be a part of the Tea Party, even though they were the ones that got him into the Senate? He never thanked De Mint in his acceptance speech. He didn’t joing the TP caucus? Always had a good reason when asked why not, kinda like the credit card thing here in florida and holding up votes relating to amnesty. Yes, Marco is....glib.
The problem, as I see it, is that the word “racist”, which used to be a powerful word and rightly so, has been reduced to a word used when someone is losing an argument.
It used to be a word that exposed the ugly character of someone who was truly racist, and not someone who simply disagreed with someone else.
It’s a shame that, on this forum especially, it’s been reduced to that. I don’t think conservatives are prone to identity politics...we just call them as we see them.
I have seen good people banned because others disagreed with them, and called them racist. I have seen the forum be run by posters who thought it was their duty to call those with whom they disagreed “racist”, and hit the anonymous abuse button.
Thank goodness that the abuse button isn’t anonymous anymore.
“Did you know that 40% of the Yuma County, Arizona lettuce crop and over $150 million dollars of tomatoes and cucumbers in Georgia rotted in the fields? “
Such a pity. Looks like their business plan was flawed. If those farmers hadn’t planned on employing an illegal alien workforce then they wouldn’t have found themselves in dire straits when the laws were finally enforced.
In most businesses you pay wages sufficient to get workers. And if you can’t find a legal way to do that then you close down the business.
I must have missed the part that says that farmers are special and should be allowed to employ illegals at will.
Is that in the SPLC handbook? You know, right next to the parts that condemn all the immigration control groups as being racist nativist xenophobic eugenicists?
You seem to have changed your usual anti-anti-illegal immigration rhetoric a bit. Now it’s economic arguments instead of the previous SPLC style attacks. Interesting.
Bumping both of your posts!
Pinging upchuck.......because I didn’t want him to feel left out. ;o)
BTW, I’m listening to the OWS webcam. The one thing I can say is that they have great reggae music and, apparently, excellent brownies...IYKWIMAITYD. ;o)
http://www.livestream.com/occupywallstnyc?utm_source=website-channel-page&utm_medium=related
Rubio is a class act. But unless both his parents were citizens before he was born here, then, he is not constitutionally qualified to go beyond his senate seat.
Or do we ignore the Constitution clause regarding President?
Oh, wait, we already did. Screw the Constitution. It’s just a piece of paper we can redact portions as necessary. /s
Now, I thought we weren’t supposed to carry these arguments across threads.
Your reading comprehension is deficient. Take another look at what I said.
Thank you. Inclusion is always a warm and fuzzy feeling.
” I noticed you conveniently left out the reference to YOU, stephenjohnbanker, calling me a RINO WHORE “ no dems
I did no such thing.
” You sound like every cowardly whore RINO in D.C. This is the leftist argument for sucking up to minorities, and it is patently false! “ SJB
If I’m going to state that you ARE something, I will state it, and deal with the consequences. I said you SOUND like a cowardly whore RINO. Let me add disengenuous to it. The only
person who was DIRECTLY slammed between the two of us was me.
Great tagline : )
” To: stephenjohnbanker
It would be wise if you didn’t call people names like RINO whores and then quote Bible verses. That just shows what a typical, mean-spirited, church-person, hypocrite you are. People like you are why millions of people don’t like Bible-thumping church people. When it comes to being a Conservative, you wouldn’t make a decent scab on my a**. Now, go take your Viagara and get your old lady to give you some so you won’t be so tense; punk.
125 posted on Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:23:46 AM by no dems (Gingrich/Cain:”
Well, when cheek meets cheek, I find that you have the best of me. Unfortunately, I only have the worst of you......: )
“Now, I thought we weren’t supposed to carry these arguments across threads.”
What argument is that hocndoc?
I observed that you are offering a new objection to opposing illegal immigration in contrast to your old one.
Your old objection is largely one of accusing immigration control organizations of being pro-abortion eugenicists, racists and xenophobes.
This latest objection of yours is that it inconveniences farmers who have become habituated to using illegal alien labor.
Feel free to show where my “reading comprehension is deficient”. I am aware of your habit of making accusations that you never get around to supporting with evidence.
I’ll be surprised if this time is any different.
Once again, you demonstrate your lack of reading comprehension.
I do not support illegals at all. I comment on the problem with benefits for citizens that take away all incentive for physical work in the fields.
If is your intention to bring up the eugenicist, Earth Day, Global Warming, Population Zero back ground of FAIR and NumbersUSA board members, start another thread and I’ll post pages of links and documentation of the eugenics agenda on the pages of NumbersUSA and FAIR.
“Once again, you demonstrate your lack of reading comprehension.”
Your affectations of superiority are so cute. Do you do that in 3D as well?
“I do not support illegals at all.”
On one hand you complain that farmers deprived of their illegal aliens can’t get their crops harvested. On the other you tar anti-illegal organizations with the SPLC’s propaganda. There appears to be a pattern.
“If is your intention to bring up the eugenicist, Earth Day, Global Warming, Population Zero back ground of FAIR and NumbersUSA board members”
As far as bringing up your attacks on FAIR and NumbersUSA I have complete faith you’ll be back doing it without anyone prompting you.
But why wait? I think it would be more fun to post the SPLC’s leftist diatribes against those “hate groups” and see if they remind readers of someone:
“Ideology: Anti-Immigrant
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a group with one mission: to severely limit immigration into the United States. Although FAIR maintains a veneer of legitimacy that has allowed its principals to testify in Congress and lobby the federal government, this veneer hides much ugliness.
FAIR leaders have ties to white supremacist groups and eugenicists and have made many racist statements. Its advertisements have been rejected because of racist content. FAIR’s founder, John Tanton, has expressed his wish that America remain a majority-white population: a goal to be achieved, presumably, by limiting the number of nonwhites who enter the country.
One of the group’s main goals is upending the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which ended a decades-long, racist quota system that limited immigration mostly to northern Europeans. FAIR President Dan Stein has called the Act a ‘mistake.’”
“Today’s anti-immigrant movement has Latin Americans in its sights. Nativist groups contend, with little and no empirical evidence to back them up, that Latin American immigrants contribute disproportionately to a host of societal ills – from poverty and inner city decay to crime, urban sprawl and environmental degradation. Nativists view Latinos as destroying American society and replacing it with an uncivilized and inferior foreign culture. Many also believe there is a secret plot by the Mexican government and American Latinos to wrest the Southwest away from the United States in order to create “Aztlan,” a Latino nation.
The most important modern nativist and the founder of many of the movement’s key contemporary organizations is a Michigan ophthalmologist by the name of John Tanton. Interestingly, Tanton came to immigration issues from the left. A Sierra Club activist starting in the late 1960s and a backer of Planned Parenthood, Tanton was highly concerned with population growth in the United States and, for a time, headed the Sierra Club’s Population Committee. By the late 1970s, Tanton had decided that immigration was a root cause of most environmental degradation. He also became increasingly concerned about its effects on American culture and society, a thought process that led him to racial concerns.
In the late 1970s, Tanton began to build a multi-organizational movement. He laid out his strategy in 1986 in secret memos, called the WITAN memos, that proposed, among other things, the creation of multiple think tanks to focus on the negative effects of immigration. He also suggested, in somewhat oblique language, a takeover of the Sierra Club by nativists.”
“It is amazing that Beck has attained the mainstream status he has, considering where he comes from,” concludes Henry Fernandez, a senior fellow at the progressive Center for American Progress, a think tank based in Washington, D.C. “His extremely close and decades-long relationship with Tanton should give pause to anyone who deals with NumbersUSA.”
“In the 1980s, a notorious eugenicist outfit known as the Pioneer Fund — a foundation focused on race, intelligence and genetics and described by the London Sunday Telegraph as a “neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics” — began to get some very bad publicity. When it was reported in 1988 that FAIR had received substantial Pioneer funding, Tanton claimed he had no idea what the fund’s background was. But FAIR continued to take its cash.
That finally ended six years later, during the debate over California’s anti-immigrant Proposition 187, when Pioneer grants were linked to ads bought by FAIR. By then, FAIR had received a total of $1.3 million from Pioneer (since 1985).
It was three years after that very public, 1994 debacle that Tanton and his wife vacationed with the Becks in Florida. The Tantons took the Becks to dine with John Trevor Jr., the son of a key architect of the 1924 Immigration Act that formalized a racial quota system that would only be dismantled in 1965. The younger Trevor was something else as well — a board member for several decades at the Pioneer Fund.
In his letter to the Report, Beck said he had “almost forgotten” about the 1997 Trevor dinner and wasn’t sure if he knew then about Trevor’s Pioneer post or even what the fund was. He described the Trevors as “a very warm, erudite and genteel older couple” and said he was “sure nothing of a racial nature” came up.
It’s hard to believe that Beck knew nothing at the time of the Pioneer Fund, given that his mentor had been in such public hot water over it — and that FAIR’s acceptance of Pioneer money became public in the same year that Beck wrote his story about Tanton’s controversial FAIR memos. That, and the fact that Tanton had written Beck a year before the Florida visit to tell him that Trevor “serves on the board of the Pioneer Fund and his father was a key person” in 1924.
Another thing Beck said he only “vaguely remember[ed]” was Tanton’s 1996 effort to create his own eugenics organization, the Society for Genetic Education (SAGE). In any event, Beck said, he has never had any interest in eugenics.”
Funny how that SPLC material hits the same themes you do. An amazing coincidence no doubt being trumped up by those lacking reading comprehension.
You confirm what I’ve found from other sources, but that’s the most I’ve read from that website.
I commented on the difficulty of getting people to work when they have unemployment and other benefits.
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