Posted on 10/28/2011 2:49:28 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
"The Republican Party needs to be the pro-legal immigration party," said Mr. Rubio. "We need to say, 'We believe in immigration and we think it's good for America.' But it has to be orderly, a system based on law, a system that works." He notes that people in Florida welcome Canadians who winter in their state and that farmers need agricultural workers.But his positions on immigration policies may be a hindrance. He opposes a path to citizenship for illegal aliens and opposes the Dream Act, which would provide a chance for some undocumented youth to become legal.
And then you spew the very trash he was talking about.
Hispanics can be and are Americans. Some Hispanics have family ties that go back to before their states became part of the US. Some Texians who fought at the Alamo and San Jacinto would be "Hispanics" today.
Many of us on FR have family and friends who are Hispanic. Every time one of these threads come up, I hear from FReepers who are married to a Hispanic or who have grandchildren who are Hispanic. They are just as proud of their heritage as the descendents of Irish refugees or the Mayflower families.
And many who are 30 to 50 years old didn't even grow up speaking Spanish, because their parents wanted them to be American -- and also to prevent abuse like your post.
To stereotype Hispanics, as you do, as "friendly neighborhood lawn boys and cheap tarts" who "have very little idea about the higher order civilization in our part of North America " is low brow.
It also ignores the very real possibility that some of the engineers and maintenance workers that you depend on for running water, electrical power, and sanitation are very likely of Hispanic descent, but consider themselves just as much a hard working American as you consider yourself.
There is no choice. If all Hispanic Immigration were to end tonight at midnight, we will still become Latin America's northernmost outpost. The Latinos will be AT LEAST one-third of the overall population by 2075, and will vote AT LEAST 80% Democrat.
¿Cómo te gustan estas manzanas, gringo? And you can blame it squarely on Karl Rove, who convinced both the Bushes that Latinos are "The Republicans of the Future." He saw the demographic handwriting on the wall and instead of whitewashing the wall, thought he could use it to his advantage.
“Illegal Mexicans are invaders, waving the Mexican flag, birthing babies for free in our hospitals, cheering on the racist LaRaza, grubbing up our generous welfare benefits, running drugs and killing Americans.
Don’t you think we need to get this crap under control?”
You are naive to not understand that those behaviors are utterly rampant. Check the prison population and dwi stats of any border state. And you really really actually said, “nor do they have babies on our side of the border”.
And i forgot to mention bringing in diseases that were wiped out in America until they invaded.
I feel not the slightest responsibility to placate the vanity of this foreign mexican invader,,or with Americans who are more loyal to an ethnicity than to the USA,,, period.
Their interests are not mine. And if I can only win by welcoming the si se peude, aztlan flag wavers,, then what is the point of winning anyway? They should go home, or live as second class invaders,,,in the shadows. NO “path to citizenship”. If they want citizenship, go home, walk to a US embassy,,, and apply. If that offends an American hispanic citizen,, they seriously need to re-examine their loyalties to foreigners.
“There’s probably a few racists masquerading as law-and-order types too.”
No,, the racists are those who claim that people from Mexico, and Central and South America have a special right to walk right in and live here. Racism is supporting a certain race above the nation simply because you happen to be of that race.
The fact that the Bushes are pushing this guy demonstrates why the last Bush didn't question Constitutional eligibility when you-know-who-somehow was shown the way to the White House.
I couldn't agree more. That pretty well sums it up.
Whatever the causes, the fastest growing demographic is Hispanics. If we lose them in the percentages we lose the black vote, in another generation we won’t be able to win Texas or any of the other border states - they will all go the way of California. We will also struggle to win VA, CO, NC, NV, etc.
We either find a way to win over a reasonable percentage of Hispanic vote, or conservatism in this country is done. We need to approach immigration issues with that in mind. We can both be against illegal immigration while at the same time speaking highly of the immigrants that are hard working. We will need a massive outreach program in to the Hispanic community and encourage/fund up and coming Hispanic conservative politicians. The black vote is long gone, lets just make sure we don’t entirely lose the Hispanic vote the way way.
It wouldn’t matter what the politicians use in describing building a fence, deporting illegals, or cutting off benefits for them. The problem is, the media will use the rhetoric, and ascribe it to the Republicans number one. And number two, the freakin leeches WANT no fence, no borders and benefits for all. So any policy that would solve the problem will be itself deemed racist. The only way to solve this is dead bang, head on, and screw the consequences.
Even Columbus wasn't an Hispanic, nor was Ferdinand, Isabella, or any of a long stream of Hapsburg kings!
The Indians aren't Hispanics either.
The entirety of North America was OWNED by Spain, and so was most of South America. The legal definition of an Hispanic according to the EEOC includes everybody who was born in a place which was at any time within the domain of the King of Spain! That, BTW, included the United Kingdom (before it was the United Kingdom) under Queen Mary and King Philip (aka Philippe I/II)
Legally almost all of us in the Western Hemisphere are "Hispanic" according to the US government, yet, according to origin in Spain, not even all the Hispanics are or ever were Hispanic.
Now that we've had that out ~ since I'm probably more Hispanic than you ever can be ~ our war is with a class that consists of the narcotrafficantes, the Latino billionaires, and their peasantry. They're all the same thing and differ only in the amount of money they have ~ not their behavior or hatred of US. If anything they've created a national consciousness consisting of just their class. I object to their invasion.
“Some Hispanics have family ties that go back to before their states became part of the US.”
Overwhelmingly the illegals do not. The current standard is that if a spaniard or mexican EVER lived in a location, everyone down to the tip of south america somehow magically gets a god given right to come to the USA?
Furthermore, can any American of European descent have every distant relative in the old country immigrate to the USA? Europeans are held to impossible standards. Mexicans and other latinos are somehow told they have a right. They simply do not.
Well, even if this poll’s findings are correct (which may or may not be the case, given that Zogby is both liberal and unreliable), it has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. And I don’t give a rat’s behind whether or not a majority of Hispanics oppose protecting the border and eliminate incentives for illegal aliens, because it’s something that we need to do. I never said that we could convince a majority of Hispanics of the need to take these steps to curb illegal immigration even if we toned down the rhetoric(although I think that we might get a majority of Cubans and Puerto Ricans to agree with us if we did so); I (and Marco Rubio) merely said that adopting anti-illegal-immigration measures without using offensive language will reduce the number of Hispanics who are turned off by the GOP. It will be easier to convince a Hispanic voter who agrees with us on abortion, marriage, guns, taxes, the environment, labor unions and other issues to vote for us, whether or not they disagree with us on our efforts to curb illegal immigration, if we didn’t just finish saying that “these wetbacks are all a bunch of rapists and drunk drivers and they come here to collect welfare and leech off of taxpayers.”
Republicans can win elections as long as they cater to those that pay no taxes, receive generous benefits, and are teaching their children that it is their right. IOW, become more Progressive, to cater to the hispanics. What good does it do to talk smaller govt, with limited powers, when you are creating little leeches on the way? 47% of all citizens pay no income tax now, I bet it is near 65% for Hispanics right now, now tell them the gravy train needs to stop for the nations good.....roflmsaoatwttwo.
DesertRhino, you’re building a straw man that has nothing to do with the original article or my comment.
As I said, the Senator is not guilty of any of the accusations made against him, and muawiyah gave us all a perfect example of the wrong kind of “rhetoric.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2799424/posts?page=1
This just one example why muawiyah’s comment about “your friendly neighborhood lawn boys and cheap tarts” who “have very little idea about the higher order civilization in our part of North America “ is offensive.
Johnson ended national origin immigration and Mexicans reinstated it.
No fair minded person should give into them on the issue.
“There should not BE a “ruling class”. Term limits would be step one in eliminating it.”
Yes, but you can’t get to step one until the presently non-ruling class (conservatives) take over the party apparatus.
Unfortunately, the non-ruling class really does not want to go to the trouble. Which is why they remain the subject of the ruling class.
Ok,, to illustrate the offensiveness of a post from the vaunted and respected “muawiyah”,, you use a post,,,, that discusses a US Border patrol guy being prosecuted, while a Mexican dope smuggler accuser got immunity?
I don’t get it. That seems to bolster the muawiyah position.
Of course, i suspect you are trying to suggest that muawiyah’s comment about the denizens of Mexico, Central, and South America, that are flooding in, somehow are aimed at the US Citizen named “Diaz”, who was prosecuted for protecting our border.
You have illustrated the ENTIRE issue. It’s nonsense that we cannot note the third world mentality of the flood of illegals, and not have that magically construed as an insult to true Americans like USBP Agent Diaz, who’s last name is hispanic. All of us served with such people, work with them, and socialize with them.
The straw man is that by thinking Citizens of Mexico and El Salvador are not universally up to par with American standards, we are insulting American Citizens like Diaz.
THAT is the straw man.
Spain's American possessions were divided up. Catholic France (as Catholic France, not just France) was given the best part of the East ~ as believed at the time ~ Canada and the interior down to the Ohio.
Spain then reserved everything else to themselves EXCEPT FOR a then drought ridden, desolate wilderness that ran from Nova Scotia to Florida and West to the first cordillera of the Appalachians.
The King of Spain gave that to the Protestants and Jews (then mostly found in the Hapsburg Empire) ~ kind of an insult at the time.
Now his heirs want in on the good times. They had their good times ~ so now it's time for them to go to work and bring themselves into the 20th Century IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES all carefully set aside for Hispanics!
Frankly the teaching of history int he Americas sucks these days. The Aztlan crowd are particularly ignorant of the matter ~ and as I pointed out those guys imagine the water goes with the territory. Look, the Northernmost Outpost of New Spain (New Mexico) had only a seasonal river. It was not considered possible to make permanent settlements North of Santa Fe due to the lack of water.
Maps in Spanish, French and English clearly identified the area as being a particularly brutal desert wasteland filled with unclimbable mountains. Spain's claim on the Intermountain West was negligible ~ without the United States no one could live there!
You explain yourself well, without stereotypes. Jesus Diaz nor his wife would be offended and would probably be the first to agree with you (as well as Senator Rubio, who is against amnesty for illegal aliens.).
I objected to the use of the rhetoric by muawiyah: “friendly neighborhood lawn boys and cheap tarts.”
The Diaz’ probably wouldn’t like their children to read that.
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