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1 posted on 10/28/2011 2:49:36 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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The problem with the toned down rhetoric is that the ruling class will just ignore the problem unless it is contentious and nasty. For example, W was prepared to ignore us and pass amnesty until we got nasty.

So it seems to me the problem is that the political class ignores the problem—not that we demand their attention. Ignoring that problem just makes it bigger every year.

I guaranteed Rubio that if our ruling class closes the border and starts enforcing existing immigration laws, the rhetoric will get a lot more moderate.


2 posted on 10/28/2011 2:52:49 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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UH oh, someone has been drinking the establishment koolaid.


3 posted on 10/28/2011 2:54:08 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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Ahh, another Perry.


4 posted on 10/28/2011 2:54:34 PM PDT by Ingtar
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With all due respect, Mr Rubio, Illegals should go through the process of becoming a citizen. How many thousands are trying to do it the right way.

Looks like the Washington Compost articles have got u in that go along, get along mentality.


5 posted on 10/28/2011 2:55:31 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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I tend to like Rubio quite a bit, but I can’t deny his closeness with Jeb Bush and the open-borders crowd unnerves me considerably. The first unwelcome hint was when he demured on the topic of the AZ bill when Jan Brewer passed it.


6 posted on 10/28/2011 2:56:08 PM PDT by greene66
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Rubio really thinks this eh?


7 posted on 10/28/2011 2:56:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors] GO CAIN!)
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WHY am I not surprized?
8 posted on 10/28/2011 2:57:25 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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Obey the law, Rubio. That’s all you have to do. If you can’t understand that concept, go hold hands with Perry and seek office in your choice of hellhole central and south American countries.


10 posted on 10/28/2011 2:58:51 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Rick Perry engages in corporate welfare via Texas TEF/ETF)
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Rubio will be for some type of amnesty.
14 posted on 10/28/2011 3:00:28 PM PDT by liberalh8ter
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Sorry Marco, no.


15 posted on 10/28/2011 3:02:53 PM PDT by skeeter
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17 posted on 10/28/2011 3:05:17 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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If one believes that such orgs. as MEChA and LaRaza wish only to advance the cause of racist Hispanic separatism, then the “rhetoric” is intended to wake America up. We are at war with those Rubio wants to court. If you believe this to be an exaggeration, check their websites. This from the national MEChA:

“In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal “gringo” invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent.”

The bronze contintinent is California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Texas, Utah, Oregon, parts of Washington. These states are to be taken from “gringo” and reunited with Mexico & Central America into its original Aztlan. So, to describe this is “rhetoric”? Rubio needs to sit down.


18 posted on 10/28/2011 3:05:49 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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I’m not sure what he wants us to say or how he wants us to say it. If the message is right but the tone is wrong does he want us to say “ please obey the law and return to your country of origin and apply for legal entry” (been there, done that to no avail)- “you are welcome if you obey our immigration laws” (doesn’t work) - “I understand that your child is a good student but you are taking unfair advantage of our generosity and you really should leave and re-enter legally” (hahahaha! yeah THAT will work!)

I’m not about to suggest amnesty whether it be nicely or rudely. Giving in-state tuition to non-US citizens when legal, US citizens can’t get it is just plain wrong!

Doing or saying ANYTHING that will encourage an illegal alien to come here or stay here just isn’t acceptable. So what does Rubio want us to say and how does he want us to say it?


19 posted on 10/28/2011 3:07:45 PM PDT by Castigar
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“”The policies are important, but the rhetoric is sometimes the impediment...”

So is Rubio getting Potomac fever and worrying what the propaganda press might write about him?


21 posted on 10/28/2011 3:12:29 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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toned-down rhetoric on the hot-button issue of immigration

Same old crap from the 'moderates' who think the big tent will make them competitive with the Dems.


24 posted on 10/28/2011 3:15:56 PM PDT by TomGuy
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"The policies are important, but the rhetoric is sometimes the impediment,"

He's pretty much exactly right. I am all for the border fence and shipping back every illegal in the country, but conservative had better figure out a way to discuss these things without allowing themselves to be painted as anti-immigrant and anti-Hispanic. That means when talking about these things you start by saying how much we value legal immigration and the contributions of people who come here, and THEN discuss the issue in the least hostile way possible.

It really seems like a lot of folks just don't want to accept the demographic disaster building against conservatives/Republicans. People should look closely at California and realize that is what will likely happen in Texas and other states if we continue losing the Hispanic vote by these massive margins. A very good case can be made that we lost the senate races in both Colorado and Nevada in 2010 due to increased Hispanic turnout for Democrats (yes, Angle was a bad candidate but Buck wasn't). If a time comes where Hispanics vote for Democrats in the same percentage blacks do, no conservative (as we currently know them) is likely to win a national election again. Oh the Republican party remain an opposition force, but the need to remain at least viable will make the party even more RINO on immigration than it is now.

The point is, speak against illegal immigration but be mindful not to make Hispanics think we hate them. Yes it's tough, the media will always try to paint Republicans in the worst light possible and try to make Hispanics hate us. Still, we do have to be mindful to deal with this issue as carefully as possible. We simply don't have a choice.

27 posted on 10/28/2011 3:18:28 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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Rubio is a Jeb Bush protegee. He really cannot be trusted.

He says all the right things until you tweek immigration.

28 posted on 10/28/2011 3:18:59 PM PDT by dforest
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The Truth never needs to be toned down, unless you hate the truth.


30 posted on 10/28/2011 3:25:06 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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***Neutered Alert***


32 posted on 10/28/2011 3:33:29 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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“help them win over the fast-growing Hispanic population, but the Florida senator says toned-down rhetoric on the hot-button issue of immigration would be more likely to bring those voters to the GOP.”

Who would we win over? Hispanics who are traitors because they are more loyal to race than to country? Or foreigners all the way down to Tierra del Fuego who oddly think they have a right to US citizenship because they are hispanic?

Screw them,, and Rubio.


33 posted on 10/28/2011 3:46:13 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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