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To: Jeff Head

Here’s another side......

My MIL, a serious student of English History and literature, and former bank president, is now little more than a child in her dotage. Witnessing the agony of her daughters trying to cope with her declining mental/physical state is trying, to say the least !

How do you comfort a wife whose mother is little more than an infant ? A mother whose greatest pride was her mind, ( and her greatest fear was its loss) ?

And I’m facing the same issues myself, it seems !

So who “determines dignity” ? For my MIL, it seems it devolves upon her daughters. I can only be supportive. In my case, I’ve already made certain determinations based upon defined presenting conditions.

At some point we all must ask ourselves how much moral/ethical/legal burden are we willing to place upon our wives/husbands/children in these “end of life” decisions ?

>PS


18 posted on 12/15/2011 7:49:18 PM PST by PiperShade
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To: PiperShade; wagglebee

Are you suggesting that the solution is to kill her?


19 posted on 12/15/2011 8:53:54 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: PiperShade

My own mother is in a home now, near us. She has severe dimensia and is 86 years old.

She can remember very little and is slowly forgetting even how to eat.

We love her, we visit her often. Generally she is happy.

I am thanksful she is still here and my kids and grandkids can go with me to visit her and I can tell them stories and show them pictures of how she used to be.

The timing, IMHO, of end of life (though we all must make decisions and arrangements regarding it) is and should be in God’s hands.


20 posted on 12/15/2011 10:24:12 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: PiperShade; Jeff Head; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
At some point we all must ask ourselves how much moral/ethical/legal burden are we willing to place upon our wives/husbands/children in these “end of life” decisions ?

So, you consider it a "burden" to care for a sick family member?

What would your preferred solution be?

Do you support euthanasia? YES or NO

I notice you just joined FR within the last year, perhaps you weren't aware that this is a PRO-LIFE forum.

22 posted on 12/16/2011 7:35:15 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: PiperShade

“At some point we all must ask ourselves how much moral/ethical/legal burden are we willing to place upon our wives/husbands/children in these “end of life” decisions ?”

I love the arrogance of your post. You start by saying “heres another side” like none of us have experienced anything like your situation. Lol! Think again.

I dont consider caring for an ill family member a moral/ethical/legal burden, and I will raise my daughter to feel the same. You need to check yourself. Sounds like you’re advocating the pillow treatment for your MIL.


23 posted on 12/16/2011 7:58:58 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: PiperShade
How do you comfort a wife whose mother is little more than an infant ? A mother whose greatest pride was her mind, ( and her greatest fear was its loss) ?

And I’m facing the same issues myself, it seems !

So who “determines dignity” ? For my MIL, it seems it devolves upon her daughters. I can only be supportive. In my case, I’ve already made certain determinations based upon defined presenting conditions.

And you propose what? Killing her as a solution?

At some point we all must ask ourselves how much moral/ethical/legal burden are we willing to place upon our wives/husbands/children in these “end of life” decisions?

Murdering an "inconvenient" person is moral?

It's not a moral burden to care for someone who is ill. It is a moral burden to have the murder of them on your conscience. Does that give dignity to a person, or just reduce them to a commodity that you dispose of when it's no longer useful?

26 posted on 12/16/2011 8:12:22 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: PiperShade; wagglebee; metmom

I always say this to the pro-murder couched as death with dignity morons and they always chicken out:
Lead by example.

For some reason, they don’t want to.
They’re content to hold that idea until such time as their life is ‘inconvenient’ for someone else.
Until then, whenever someone is inconvenient to THEM, oops, oh well.
Right?
So stop couching murder in the name of personal convenience with flowery terms like “death with dignity” because there’s no such thing.


29 posted on 12/16/2011 9:17:22 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: PiperShade; wagglebee; metmom

Wassa matta?
Kitty got yer tongue?


30 posted on 12/16/2011 9:28:19 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: PiperShade
How do you comfort a wife whose mother is little more than an infant ?

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When your wife was an infant, her mother cared for her. Should she do less? Our lives have a symmetry.

34 posted on 12/16/2011 9:57:15 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PiperShade

When you were a child your parents fed you, clothed you, nursed you, wiped your butt, changed your diaper, cleaned up your vomit, provided for all your needs for most kids for at least 18 years. Yet you want to piss and moan about returning as much as they gave you back to them?


65 posted on 12/18/2011 7:16:54 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: PiperShade; All

And I’m facing the same issues myself, it seems !

*******

Oh my, and this disabled person was zotted. Interesting......


71 posted on 12/18/2011 9:31:06 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: PiperShade

75 posted on 12/19/2011 5:47:01 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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