[Impy]

I have 2 reasons why Romney could have trouble in the general election.

1)We conservative base voters don’t like him (cause those of us with brains know he’s not a conservative). This could dampen Republican turnout in a year we outta be super-motivated to vote.

2)The Mormon thing. Bias against Mormons exists.

[Yosemitest]

Here's something else to consider, how will Romney (a closet liberal) handle today's problems?
Read this from August 4, 2008.

Topic: Collectivism

A Fabian Socialist Dream Come True

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The gradual revolution of the Fabian Socialists is quickly becoming a reality in America.
by Republicae (libertarian)
Monday, August 4, 2008

The Fabian Society began in England in 1887 by a very small group of elitist socialist that sought to reform society gradually into one of socialism instead of through violent revolution.
At first their purpose was to be an alternative in Britain for the more dominate Marxist Social-Democratic Federation,
but their true goal was to accomplish socialism through a very gradual process using the voting booth and representative democracy as their instrument of change.
In fact, one of their symbols is a Turtle with the motto:

"When I Strike, I Strike Hard".
Another symbol is the Wolf in Sheep's Clothing and the Globe on an Anvil being hammered into the Fabian model.

The Fabian Plan for gradual Socialist Revolution was as definitive as it possibly could be, to say it has been a conspiracy is simplistic in the extreme.
It instituted a widespread educational program for its leadership and its minions,
as time progressed, it opened schools, such as the London School of Economics, and the New School of Social Research.

One stroke of genius was that instead of advocating a Socialist State, they assisted in the implementation of the Welfare State,
which as we should all know is merely a few steps away from a purely Socialistic State.
It was, of course, implemented gradually, and played upon the weaknesses of human nature to gain popularity.
Unlike the usual Socialist points of views, the Fabians didn't advocate complete State ownership of businesses, industry, agriculture or land,
instead they sought to involve the State into very specific areas of importance
such as electric power production, transportation, precious metals and of course, credit.
The remaining balance of economic systems would be left to the private sector however;
it would be highly regulated by the State and operated according to the wishes of the State.

If you look at Britain, you will see that they accomplished their goals with ease
and while American has been more difficult, the goals are the same
and they have made enormous advances toward those goals, as we all know.
Much of their accomplishments have been realized without using that dreaded word: Socialism.
They have brought the Fabian Dream to America through an extremely brilliant system that has been openly accepted by the voters of this country
without the hint of suspicion on their part that they were voting a Socialistic system into place.

Now, make no mistake about it, Fabian Socialists are Statist, they are absolutely authoritarian in their philosophy.
Their long-term goal has always been a Socialistic Dictatorship with full-imposition of a very legalistic society where the individual is simply a part of the collective.
An example of this can be found in the writings of one of the founders of the Fabian Society, George Bernard Shaw
speaking of the Socialist Utopia, he said:
"Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor.
You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not.
If it were discovered that you had not the character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble,
you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner;
but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well."

Of course, all of this would be in the best interest of society as a whole and the whole made up simply of parts,

individuals merely cogs in the machine of social justice.
This idea of social justice is the biggest selling point and perhaps the easiest to peddle to the people.
Programs of social reform, incremental at first, allowed for the tempering of the people;
allowing for them to grow accustom to the intervention of the State in the affairs of the individual.
Of course, such reforms are never an end unto themselves
only stepping-stones to a greater Socialist construct of society.

Regarding the great strides made toward these goals, Max Beer stated with confidence:
"There was no reason for Socialists to wait for revolution.
The realization of socialism had begun the moment when the State became accessible to social reform ideas."
Indeed, the revolution was already half realized at the moment when the State stepped over the threshold of progressive social construction
and intervention into the private lives of the people.

The first step in any Socialist plan is the reform of capitalism,
when the capitalist system is sufficiently neutralized the rest comes relatively easy.
The first step to an efficient plan of capitalist neutralization is control over the money supply
and for that a central bank is required along with a fiat monetary system,
in this country that was initiated with the advent of the Federal Reserve.
Later, of course must come effective controls over major infrastructure and services,
all accomplished through the New Deal.
The New Deal accomplished substantial feats toward the Fabian Socialist construct
with numerous price controls, quotas, subsidies, inspections, regulations, licenses, fees, penalties
and massive government interventions into what was formerly private enterprise.
Although you would never hear politicians of either political party to admit to support the ideals of socialism,
they nevertheless not only support such measures, but also promote them.

We have recently seen a greater push toward socialism, though few realize it.
The government is assuming more and more responsibility for and authority over the economy,
all under the guise of protecting the people from potentially unscrupulous free marketeers.
We are being moved yet another step closer to the dream-society of the Fabians.
Of course, these are simply steps, essential parts to a much broader agenda,
one that is authoritarian in nature and execution, even the centrally planned economy is a mere step, not the end product.
It is all carefully crafted, manufactured to ensure the most popular support possible for "people-friendly" solutions
while instituting a fraudulent system of central control over the unsuspecting public.
The system has been marketed to the public, one specific component at a time,
each component essential to the completion of the whole
and that is the brilliance of this gradual imposition of Fabian Socialism in this country.

The greatest bulwark against tyranny in America has always been the system of private ownership and free enterprise,
it is the cornerstone of our system of government
and without it our freedoms and liberty are in jeopardy.

Central economic planning is, in a very basic sense, the keystone to Fabian Socialism,
for in order for it to succeed, central State planning and control must replace the system of free enterprise.
While it was not necessary for the State to actually own or directly control all the elements in the economy
it is enough for the State to have the right to assert itself in any area that it deems necessary.
The Fabians called it "the democratization of economic power", in other words socialized and centralized control over economic direction within the country.

In 1942, Stuart Chase, in his book "The Road We Are Traveling" [link to 82.795 MB pdf copy of book] spelled out the system of planning the Fabians had in mind;
the interesting thing is to look at that plan in comparison to 2008 America.


1. Strong, centralized government.

2. Powerful Executive at the expense of Congress and the Judicial.

3. Government controlled banking, credit and securities exchange.

4. Government control over employment.

5. Unemployment insurance, old age pensions.

6. Universal medical care, food and housing programs.

7. Access to unlimited government borrowing.

8. A managed monetary system.

9. Government control over foreign trade.

10. Government control over natural energy sources, transportation and agricultural production.

11. Government regulation of labor.

12. Youth camps devoted to health discipline, community service and ideological teaching consistent with those of the authorities.

13. Heavy progressive taxation.

It should be evident that while Socialist no longer use the name that the plan is Socialism at its heart.
The Fabian Socialist Revolution began in earnest in this country in 1933 with the imposition of the Welfare State and has been steadily progressing since.
Those who are promoting this system, whether in the Republican Party or Democratic Party, are nothing less than Traitors,
guilty of a type of high treason that deserves the most punitive penalty for such treachery.
Listen carefully to the propositions of both McCain and Obama;
I suspect that you will quickly find both of their positions are not only similar,
but propose in essence and detail the Fabian Socialist construct.
The system that these marauders are imposing upon us will ultimately alter our system of government beyond recognition.

It is all accomplished with the utmost respectability of course,
they would not dream of such an imposition without popular support
and they will make sure that they have popular support.

In 1933, they proposed that private enterprise had failed
leaving the jobless to starve,
hope to fade
and that the State must step in to save the country
and protect the people from the dangers associated with the inherent problems of free enterprise.
Today, the call is very similar, the State must step in to protect the people.
The Corporate State is, in the minds of Fabians, the ultimate protector of the common man, the provider of security on all fronts,
but it requires our complete compliance and the relinquishment of our liberty in exchange.
The State is to ultimately be the only one allowed wealth,
the problem is that wealth is the people's wealth confiscated in exchange for their hard labor.
It is, in essence, a plan for a modern feudal society of peonage
and the people are the peons.

Proofs of a Conspiracy?
Look around...

In Liberty and Eternal Vigilance,
Republicae-Seditionist

Wake up people! Look what the Democrats have done!i

[Caipirabob]

2)The Mormon thing. Bias against Mormons exists.

I never had any bias against Mormons. They, however, excluded me at a time when I needed to establish my family and find a stable group of scouts for my son. There was a group of scouts that met weekly right next to our home. I contacted the group and over a period of several conversations they finally stated "You want to find another group."

I did, a "normal" group was meeting a block further once I finally located them. OTOH, no help from the former group in finding them. They just didn't want a non-mormon to attend their group.

So they are an exclusive branch of the scouts, but fully affiliated with the Boy Scouts?

Whatever...it really pissed me off to be brushed off like that.

Oh, and FUMR! Because you're socialist, sure, there are other reasons, like being a yankee elitist, but mostly because you're a socialist.

[Sola Veritas]

I agree with you. I WILL NOT vote for Romney in a general election. I will stay home, or leave the POTUS portion of the ballot blank. I have never done this before. I have voted in every POTUS election since 1976...and always for the Republican.

[af_vet_rr]

2)The Mormon thing. Bias against Mormons exists.

Bias against the Mormon church. Plenty of Mormons are good folks, but the Mormon church...

[Elsie]