On principle Paul is in line with the founding fathers and the original of the Constitution. The US today has an offensive military force and employs it around the world at the whim of the president. The founders envisioned defensive forces, stationed inside the boundaries of the country supplemented by local militias. The founders did not envision the US becoming involved in what they considered to be “foreign entanglements” across the globe. Paul claims he would scale the armed forces down to a defensive posture. My comments here are not intended to endorse Paul.
I do believe George Soros, possibly allied with convert support from Arab states and the Chinese, will gladly fund a Paul or Trump third party run in 2012 to ensure an Obama victory. Recent history shows a third party candidate can siphon enough popular votes to shift the Electoral College in close races. Perot enabled Clinton to win in 1992 and 1996 by attracting conservative Republicans. In 2000 Ralph Nader under the Green Party flag captured enough liberal voters in Florida to give George W. Bush a tiny popular vote margin and Florida’s electoral votes. Had Nader not run, Gore would have won Florida on election night by a few thousand votes and the electoral crisis of 2000 would not have occurred.
If the Republicans choose Romney to carry the flag in 2012 it is almost certain Paul or Trump running as a third party candidate would attract disaffected conservative and libertarian voters unable to vote for a moderate Republican who has at one time or another supported government run healthcare, open immigration, and abortion rights not to mention being a poster boy for Wall Street. In close swing states Paul or Trump would almost certainly receive enough votes to allow Obama to win the popular vote and the state’s electoral votes.
My instincts tell me the odds of a Paul and/or Trump third party run is very high. Splitting the Republican vote is the sure fire way for the Democrats to achieve victory in 2012. Hopefully the RINO leadership intent on nominating Romney has a winning game plan for this scenario. At this point in time it is difficult to envision what that game plan might be.
“My instincts tell me the odds of a Paul and/or Trump third party run is very high. Splitting the Republican vote is the sure fire way for the Democrats to achieve victory in 2012. Hopefully the RINO leadership intent on nominating Romney has a winning game plan for this scenario. At this point in time it is difficult to envision what that game plan might be.”
Here’s a game plan for you. Don’t vote third party! If Obama’s defeat is the primary objective, then vote GOP regardless of who the nominee is.
“On principle Paul is in line with the founding fathers and the original of the Constitution. The US today has an offensive military force and employs it around the world at the whim of the president. The founders envisioned defensive forces, stationed inside the boundaries of the country supplemented by local militias. The founders did not envision the US becoming involved in what they considered to be “foreign entanglements” across the globe.”
Really? You mean those founding fathers that fought a war with France (Quasi War) and fought the british in the war of 1812? And, if they didn’t envision an offensive military force, what about sending the US Navy to Tripoli? Then, there was that Monroe Doctrine thingy. Looks like the founding fathers did quite a bit of entangling.
“Hopefully the RINO leadership intent on nominating Romney has a winning game plan for this scenario. At this point in time it is difficult to envision what that game plan might be.”
I don’t think they much care. They seem to have an “arrangement” with barky and most of the d’s. While I’m sure they’d prefer mittens, they have a long history of doing business across the aisle.
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>Splitting the Republican vote is the sure fire way for the Democrats to achieve victory in 2012. <
I have said this since day one.
Sadly, I have also said that many democrats have flipped to Paul and have acted as if they support him to the point of actually registering as republicans to vote for him in the primary. They post in blogs that they will vote for him as a write in if need be.
In actuality, they fully plan on voting for obama in the general election.
I have confirmed that a few Obama supporters that I know personally are now doing this, so it must be pretty widespread.
What I hear from Ron Paul Supporters is that he is the only man who can actually beat obama. But in reality, in every mainstream poll, he appears to be the only one who can’t.
Unless of course you look at Alex Jonse’s polls then he is so far off the charts then well, you get the picture.
Meanwhile, I noticed a few things that really struck me as odd. Like the fact that Herman Cain, the only black man in the race for the republican nod, was threatened so bad as was his family that he needed secret service protection. He was given scandal after scandal one after another and all four had connections to Obama or Rham direct that the media never touched.
They had an instant impact on him and he was out of the race in a matter of 30 days. Imagine that .. a man who could have taken 1/3 of Obama’s black vote out within 30 days.
All of the republicans have been harassed by members of Obama’s staff indirectly .. with the exception of ONE PERSON. It would seem that there is only really one person that Obama doesn’t fear facing .... the one who had a four person newspaper some years back, that was full of racial bigotry, who is all over the Internet as a 9/11 truther and conspiracy theorist, a man who has been in congress forever with over 600 pieces of legislation that he has proposed and yet that only one has ever passed. The naming of a building ....
yep .. the crazy old uncle of the congress that no one wants to be associated with ...
the one man who has made more anti-jewish statements than Harod himself ..
and Obama nor his team have gone after him yet ... now this information regarding Soros ...
Go figure ...
Do you understand that our military is currently about 4.2% of GDP? Our military is one of the few constitutionally mandated functions of the federal government.
The world is much, much smaller than it was in the seventeen hundreds when the oceans were vast. These days a small determined group of people can potentially kill millions in a day. Something that was not possible only a hundred years ago.
Those are the facts and the realities of the world today.
4.2% isn’t excessive.
The real spending problems are on the mountains of social programs neither mandated or even authorized by the constitution.
There is also a likely Green Party Candidate, Dr. Jill Stein.
Paul should not even be allowed to run on the GOP platform, he is not a conservative nor a republican, he’s a liberal on social and foreign policies and a fiscal conservative.
He and hi9s supporters are nuts and I’m sick and tired of hearing he is the constitution which sounds great but when you question the nuts who follow him they really want drugs legal, pay hardly any taxes and have no problem with marrying siblings.