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Simply abandon the ‘norm against killing’ to solve organ transplant problem: leading US bioethicists
Life Site News ^ | February 8, 2012 | Hilary White

Posted on 02/08/2012 1:15:20 PM PST by NYer

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To: NYer

The rise of the organ “donor” gangs....


21 posted on 02/08/2012 1:56:25 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: NYer

first we abandoned morality and now even simple ethics are obstacles to the insane radical left


22 posted on 02/08/2012 1:56:36 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: NYer

The novelist Walker Percy saw all this coming 20 years ago. From his comments on his last novel, “The Thanatos Syndrome”:

“I tried to show how, while truth should prevail, it is a disaster when only one kind of truth prevails at the expense of another. If only one kind of truth prevails — the abstract and technical truth of science — then nothing stands in the way of a demeaning of and a destruction of human life for what appear to be reasonable short-term goals.”


23 posted on 02/08/2012 1:58:14 PM PST by Stosh
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"The conundrum faced by the organ transplant industry, that the removal of vital organs kills the “donor,” can be “easily obviated by abandoning the norm against killing"

Geez . . . I wonder to what this is leading us . . .

24 posted on 02/08/2012 1:58:33 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: techcor

They’ve already managed to convince a substantial portion of the population that to kill one’s own unborn children is an inalienable RIGHT....


25 posted on 02/08/2012 1:58:33 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: NYer
“Traditional medical ethics embraces the norm that doctors … must not kill their patients.

Gee, what an old-fashioned, out-of-date, un-post-modern concept.

How about we do away with the norm that patients should pay doctors for their services? Or that the medical profession is somehow respectable? Or that men and women who save human lives are in any way worth more to a society than the men and women who clean our toilets?

Yes, let's discard all those old, worn-out ethics and replace them with a new hierarchy of enlightened, humanist, utilitarian values! After all, what does God know?

26 posted on 02/08/2012 2:33:27 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: NYer
Where this leads:

Video

27 posted on 02/08/2012 2:33:47 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Thane_Banquo
So ....

Did St. Paul get a look at XXI Century America?

28 posted on 02/08/2012 2:39:27 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: techcor
Liberal/progressives better not support this sort of "bio-ethics". They could be slaughtered by the millions.

I'm not so sure I would want a transplant from the OWS crowd.

29 posted on 02/08/2012 2:42:51 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The damage is too extensive. Burn it down and start over.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
You forgot 26-27.

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

30 posted on 02/08/2012 2:47:36 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Those taking welfare, both the rich and the poor, could easily be labeled as ‘unproductive.’

They do produce Democratic votes.

31 posted on 02/08/2012 2:47:53 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The damage is too extensive. Burn it down and start over.)
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To: NYer

Walter Sinnott-Armstrong a Duke University bioethicist and Franklin G. Miller, an ethicist with the National Institutes of Health - start with them.


32 posted on 02/08/2012 2:52:50 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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A good execution method. Put the criminal under, remove all useful parts, drain the blood for transfusions, discard ramainder. Much better than poisoning or cooking recyclable body parts.


33 posted on 02/08/2012 2:58:57 PM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Stosh

The novelist Larry Niven coined the term “organlegger” about forty years ago (early 1970s). In one story, even a traffic ticket could get you broken down for parts.


34 posted on 02/08/2012 3:14:28 PM PST by Cruising Speed
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they have no longer a right to live because they are ‘unproductive citizens’

Since I am retired, I guess that makes me an "unproductive citizen." Time to load some more pmags.

35 posted on 02/08/2012 3:20:07 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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(With just minimal editing, this could be utterly hilarious, while horrifying those who proposed it. Edits in ALL CAPS.)

The conundrum faced by the organ transplant industry, that the removal of vital organs kills the “donor,” can be “easily obviated by abandoning the norm against killing BLACK PEOPLE,” two leading U.S. bioethicists have said.

In an article titled, “What Makes Killing BLACK PEOPLE Wrong?” appearing in last month’s Journal of Medical Ethics, the authors have moved the argument forward by admitting that the practice of vital organ donation ignores “traditional” medical ethics.

“Traditional medical ethics embraces the norm that doctors ... must not kill PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK. This norm is often seen as absolute and universal. In contrast, we have argued that killing BLACK PEOPLE by itself is not morally wrong, although it is still morally wrong to cause total disability, MAKING BLACK PEOPLE PERMANENT WELFARE RECIPIENTS.”

The problem with killing BLACK PEOPLE is “not that the act causes loss of life or consciousness but rather that the act causes loss of all THEIR ABILITY TO PLAY SPORTS.”

But the article’s authors admit that the situation is already grave from the point of view of traditional medical ethics. The so-called “BLACK donor rule,” they say, is already “routinely violated” in transplant practice anyway.

In order to be consistent with “traditional medical ethics” the practice of organ transplants FROM DRUNK OR DRUGGED BLACK PEOPLE, already a multi-billion dollar international medical industry, would have to be stopped immediately.

But stopping THE TAKING OF ORGANS FROM BLACK PEOPLE on the mere grounds that it kills BLACK people, they said, would be “extremely harmful and unreasonable from an ethical point of view.”


36 posted on 02/08/2012 3:26:13 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: GeronL
Exactly. The pall of evil spreading over the planet is almost palpable.
37 posted on 02/08/2012 3:32:06 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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I think... we did not win WWII. We did not win the Cold War. At best it was a delaying action. Apparently Mankind has a “kill switch” designed so that if we got too big for our britches, we would self-destruct. It’s like a swirling storm of pure devilishness out there now and there seems to be no way for the moral majority to put these people back on their heels.


38 posted on 02/08/2012 3:33:27 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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Yep. How long before eugenics is said to be perfectly acceptable?


39 posted on 02/08/2012 4:04:23 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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Dr Mengele was just ahead of his time. I don't think the term "bioethecist" had been invented back then. But these guys must look upon Mengele as an idol, as does Seeger at Princeton, I'm sure.

Mark

40 posted on 02/08/2012 5:16:11 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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