Obama Eligibility Hearing in Arizona tomorrow

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[Harlan1196]

But they say the same thing so what’s your point?

No one but birthers interprets WKA to mean NBC = two citizen parents.

Ankeny = WKA = birthers fail again.

[Harlan1196]

All good questions - perhaps you should ask a real lawyer.

All I know is that every court will find that Obama is a NBC. And the reasoning can be found in Ankeny.

I know you disagree.

The Chief Justice of the United States, knowing that Obama had a Kenyan for a father, swore him in as President of the United States. I think Justice Roberts knows what he is doing. And if not, I know Justice Scalia would not let him get away with anything that violated the Constitution.
And every judge in America knows this too.

[philman_36]

ROTFLOL! Yeah, your little snippet is part of what Madison had to say.
Here is some more of what he had to say that same day and in the next paragraph! I guess you never read down that far. LOL

@James Madison, House of Representatives 22 May 1789

I think there is a distinction which will invalidate his doctrine in this particular, a distinction between that primary allegiance which we owe to that particular society of which we are members, and the secondary allegiance we owe to the sovereign established by that society. This distinction will be illustrated by the doctrine established by the laws of Great Britain, which were the laws of this country before the revolution. The sovereign cannot make a citizen by any act of his own; he can confer denizenship, but this does not make a man either a citizen or subject. In order to make a citizen or subject, it is established, that allegiance shall first be due to the whole nation; it is necessary that a national act should pass to admit an individual member. In order to become a member of the British empire, where birth has now endowed the person with that privilege, he must be naturalized by an act of parliament.

And just a bit further down...

What was the allegiance as a citizen of South-Carolina, he owed to the King of Great Britain? He owed his allegiance to him as a King of that society to which, as a society he owed his primary allegiance. When that society separated from Great Britain, he was bound by that act and his allegiance transferred to that society, or the sovereign which that society should set up, because it was through his membership of the society of South-Carolina, that he owed allegiance to Great Britain.

Let me know if you need help figuring this part out...

...it is established, that allegiance shall first be due to the whole nation...

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

"From Scalia’s concurrence in Miller v. Albright:

The Constitution “contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization.” United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702 (1898)."

That's lawyerly weasel talk, and I'm pretty sure that you know it. Sources is not at all the same as Type of citizenship. I read through Miller v. Albright and didn't see the term natural born citizen once.

Even here, SCOTUS did not wade into a definition of Natural Born Citizen beyond the single one described in Minor v. Happersett as being "without doubt". Judicial Restraint. Ankeny doesn't trump SCOTUS, and neither WKA nor Miller v. Albright use the term Natural Born to describe any of the litigants with a stake in the outcome, that I can see.

[philman_36]

Does a SCOTUS case have greater precedence over a State appeal case?

But they say the same thing so what’s your point?
Doesn't answer my question.

No one but birthers interprets WKA to mean NBC = two citizen parents.
Doesn't answer my question.

Ankeny = WKA = birthers fail again.
Doesn't answer my question.

Does a SCOTUS case have greater precedence over a State appeal case?

[PA-RIVER]

Is there any law that forbids Obama from running for president of Kenya after his term is up in the US?

After showering Kenya with 8 billion in economic Aid, Why not? 8 billion pissed away to the home country. Just think of all the sweat and hard work some poor American shmuck has sent to Kenya on Obamas behalf. But hey, shouldn't an NBC president send aid to his home country?

[philman_36]

All I know is that every court will find that Obama is a NBC.
You don't KNOW that. It is your opinion and nothing more.

All you've got there is another feeble attempt at psychological reinforcement through repetition.

[philman_36]

You need to go read the rest of the thread that you scurried away from last night!
Start with your @last reply.

[philman_36]

Well, technically, @this was your last post, but it's pretty useless.

[PA-RIVER]

If Obama commits an act that is reasonably viewed as treason in the US, yet heroic In Indonesia or Kenya, what is it? Heroic or treasonous?

The answer is heroic. He has no allegiance to the United States, therefore, he can’t commit treason. We elected him knowing full well that his dreams are kenyan dreams. That he pledged allegiance to Indonesia as an Indonesia citizen, in his formative youth. Obama could spend 6 trillion dollars on horse manure, driving us into bankruptcy, and this would be heroic for him. Treason is a charge reserved for a compatriot gone wrong. Not a foreign national given the knife to put to our throats by our fellow citizens.

To call Obama an NBC is akin to calling a roach a baby because it hatched in a nursery at a hospital.

[W. W. SMITH]

I read that entire case CDR and you are still wrong! No where did it say that natural born is other than born with both parents citizens at the time of that birth.

[philman_36]

I read that entire case CDR and you are still wrong!

Did you find that Wong Kim Ark was, at his birth, a citizen of the United States by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution and was not ruled to be a natural born citizen?

[HoneysuckleTN]

I’m looking for an update, too. I can’t decide if no news is good news or bad news... :(

[W. W. SMITH]

E: There is no case law that supports your theory.
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Try reading the constitution. good lord but the dullard fringe is out tonight!

[PA-RIVER]

Yes, that’s what I found. He is simply ruled to be a citizen , unlike Virginia Minor who is ruled a natural born citizen.

[philman_36]

It’s not brain surgery, is it?

[Ray76]

"two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization."

"Natural born" is a quality or characteristic of citizenship. It is a quality imparted by the particular circumstance of birth in the country to citizen parents.

The Supreme Court did not rely on positive law when it observed that "it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also." So how are these people citizens? The answer is obvious, the natural law of nature.

"Natural born" by nature (jus sanguinus), "citizen" by government (jus soil)

[PA-RIVER]

Obama could order the US navy to form a circular firing squad, obliterating our navy, and some would still believe he was a natural American.

Obama is American just as Pizza is a Veitnamese dish.

[Seaside]

Is this whole post ‘bogus’????........if this post is legit, why is there no credible update of an event that supposedly took place in a judicial forum during business hours today?

And, it is now 9:30pm PST.

Did this hearing really take place???????

While I smell a rat, many others are just going on and on about WKA, NBC, and other legal gymnastic anacronyms/analyses....and are not asking about anything that came out of today’s activities.

Who is the original poster and why is everyone jumping on the Chatter Wagon for this particular post?

[W. W. SMITH]

Ankeny is junk and the fool who wrote it will be subject to judicial review. The legal blogs don’t discuss it because it is junk and will be thrown out.