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1 posted on 04/22/2012 8:17:32 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

one of Obama’s donors must’ve just cornered the market on neodymium


3 posted on 04/22/2012 8:28:03 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: neverdem

Copper or Aluminum, and Iron, are all you need to make a motor (and an insulator like lacquer or ceramics).

Yes, you can build lighter/more efficient motors from permanent magnets, but that efficiency only holds at lower RPMs. Higher RPMs and permanent magnet brushless motors begin to suffer from Eddy current losses in the large monolithic magnets that make up the armateur of the motor. Their efficieny begins to drop as their speed increases and the drive power frequency increases.

Induction motors have much more leeway in terms of high speed operation... they require only good design principles for the stator and armateur, and metals that aren’t too special in nature. Induction motors are also more reselient to overheating. If you don’t put enough heat into the stator to melt the insulation on the windings, you can keep pushing power into them. Permanent magnet motors will begin to have their permanent magnets degrade in strength.

On the other hand, I thought there was a push to start mining rare-earths from the ocean. Anyone know what came of this?

Personally, if I was a car company not in China’s special graces, I’d focus on induction motors. Until more precious metals supplies come online, precious metals are going to be pricey.


6 posted on 04/22/2012 8:45:10 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: neverdem

Of course, the concept of removing EPA restrictions on mining for rare earths domestically would never occur to anyone.


8 posted on 04/22/2012 9:20:47 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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