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Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open anew and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. Congress already possesses expansive power to regulate what people do.Upholding the Affordable Care Act under the Commerce Clause would give Congress the same license to regulate what people do not do. The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce,not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited andenumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce."

...Nor can the individual mandate be sustained under the Necessary and Proper Clause as an integral part of the Affordable Care Act’s other reforms. Each of this Court’s prior cases upholding lawsunder that Clause involved exercises of authority derivative of, and in service to, a granted power. The individual mandate, by contrast, vests Congress withthe extraordinary ability to create the necessary predicate to the exercise of an enumerated power and draw within its regulatory scopethose who would otherwise be outside of it. Even if the individualmandate is “necessary” to the Affordable Care Act’s other reforms,such an expansion of federal power is not a “proper” means for making those reforms effective.

1 posted on 06/28/2012 9:09:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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Here are my questions:
  1. Why were 0bama and the Democrats so adamant in proclaiming that the mandate, and its penalties, etc. are not a tax?
  2. Now that the USSC has shown the Democrats and 0bama to be liars by saying it IS a tax, what are the negative ramifications for the lying Democrats?
  3. If there are no negative ramifications for the President or Democrats, why were they so afraid of calling this a tax in the first place?
I don't get it. Don't the negatives still apply?
143 posted on 06/28/2012 11:16:41 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: little jeremiah
The experiment with the Federal Government has gone wrong and should be ended by the States that established it.

It's easy to say the EU should dissolve because they are having problems, but it's more difficult when our founders set up a 'more perfect union'.

Time enough. We've seen the outcome. It doesn't suit my needs and has become destructive of those ends.

We don't need a federal government.

/johnny

144 posted on 06/28/2012 11:22:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: little jeremiah
Actually, Justice Roberts Demolished Obama In His Supreme Court Ruling

The leftists declaring Walker's win in Wisconsin a victory for leftism and Obama come to mind.

Optimism is fine as long as it doesn't cross over the line to delusional. There's nothing Roberts could have done in his ruling that he couldn't have done in the dissent as well.
148 posted on 06/28/2012 11:28:23 PM PDT by Cruising For Freedom
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To: little jeremiah
Congress now has the power to make us buy ANYTHING.

All they have to do is call it a tax.

How is that a win?
163 posted on 06/28/2012 11:48:15 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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And the Dodgers outhit the Mets tonight but it didn’t matter. The Mets won the game.


168 posted on 06/29/2012 12:13:09 AM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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Roberts also screwed Romney, who called his Massachussets mandate (tax) a “fee, not a tax.” Now we know it was a tax and Obama will point this out in their debates:

Romney: Mr. Obama wants to tax the middle class.

Obama: You taxed the middle class as governor.

Romney: Uh. Oh yeah. Sorry.


170 posted on 06/29/2012 12:18:26 AM PDT by raulgomez05
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I really don’t think that Obama gives a rat’s ass how he gets to take over the US health care system, so long as he gets to take it over. Whether it’s called a tax, a penalty, or unicorn turds, what matters is that he got what he wanted and Roberts handed it to him.


172 posted on 06/29/2012 1:21:27 AM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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As nice as it would be to have the Commerce Clause rolled back to its correct interpretation, I’ll believe it when I see it.

I expect what we’ll see is the worst of both worlds: the Commerce Clause AND the new wrinkle on “taxing power” being used to justify expansions of federal power.


180 posted on 06/29/2012 2:16:12 AM PDT by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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For me, what Roberts did was “the most unkindest cut of all”. It left me in tears.
181 posted on 06/29/2012 2:16:40 AM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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Liberals absolutely love John Roberts. He’s the new media lib plaything like John McCain.


182 posted on 06/29/2012 2:19:52 AM PDT by PAConservative1
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Lipstick meets pig. Here, we may have a case of more lipstick than pig.


183 posted on 06/29/2012 2:48:56 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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Failed logic, there are 2 parts,

1. The individual mandate requires people to buy insurance

2. The penalty is to pay a tax


186 posted on 06/29/2012 3:05:25 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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There’s no fixing this on fine points, like whether a tax must go into effect to be challenged.
The libs won and they will quickly move on — to a new Constitutional Convention.
Mark my words.


188 posted on 06/29/2012 3:05:49 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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Actually, Justice Roberts Demolished Obama In His Supreme Court Ruling

Whatever. His actions killed us.

Try explaining this to all of the businesses that are going to have to close, all of the resulting unemployed and all of the bankrupted families who can't afford the "largest tax increase in the history of mankind".

F* him, he's killed us...

190 posted on 06/29/2012 3:22:28 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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I’m sorry, LJ, but Roberts did not injure Obama at all today.

Today’s decision gave Obama ObamaCare. It also gave it to America.

Worse, the legislation was specifically written as a mandate, and in order to save it, Roberts said that it was written as a tax.

He created a fix out of clean air. That’s the worst that happened today. The Court is now on record with a precedent that if you can change a word or two in any legislation, then go ahead and do it. They should have changed the wording of the stolen valor act, too. They should have changed words in the Arizona law. But they didn’t.

They only changed words in the healthcare law.

Now WE are funding abortion.


192 posted on 06/29/2012 3:38:34 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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“I will remember that it’s my job to call balls and strikes and not to pitch or bat.”

— John Roberts, 2005.


193 posted on 06/29/2012 3:40:46 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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Does anybody think ANY Democrat Senator, Congressman, or Obama will even want to be anywhere near the campaign trail this fall with this Tax Monster draped around their neck?

If the Pubbies don’t manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again...we’re talking 70 senators!!!


196 posted on 06/29/2012 3:58:41 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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This ruling has just solidified Bob McDonnell as Veep. We now desperately need that Virginia Senate seat. (Allen)

I decided today to revoke my pledge to never vote for Romney. I will hold my nose (and other parts) and vote for the wimp party, one more time. Obama and his (Obamacare) legacy MUST BE STOPPED!!!

Which would I prefer Obama nominated Supreme Court Justices or Romney nominated Supreme Court Justices?

Bush may have given us Roberts, but he also gave us Alito.

Would Obama give us an Alito?

198 posted on 06/29/2012 4:15:03 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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Roberts did indeed eviscerate the "commerce clause" and the "necessary and proper" arguments.

But that's no reason to celebrate, because the rest of the ruling says that they don't matter anyway, and that Congress has essentially unlimited power to compel anyone to do anything, as long as the noncompliance penalty is a "tax".

Congress can stop the decades-long "commerce clause" tap dance now and simply ram whatever they want through by making the penalties "taxes/fines" rather than jail time. But if you accumulate enough taxes that you can't pay them, what happens in the end anyway?

Who needs an "assault weapons ban"? We'll just levy a $10,000 annual tax on "assault weapons"! The ones who can afford to pay that are the ones we'd generally exempt anyway! You didn't separate your recyclables out of your trash? That's a $1,000 tax per offense. Every house is required to have solar panels, or pay $2,500 a year in extra tax.

And so on, and so on...

200 posted on 06/29/2012 4:16:42 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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Bullcrap. That Congress can now tax anything for any purpose invalidates the Commerce Clause.


201 posted on 06/29/2012 4:22:07 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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