Posted on 09/15/2012 12:00:12 PM PDT by STARWISE
It used to be the ideal, and now it is the oddity if not “evil”.
My bride and I didn’t have sex until the wedding night (morning after actually). Many of her friends and coworkers tried to talk her out of getting married, saying we needed to live together first and maybe have a kid or two.
That is the conventional wisdom these days.
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First of all not all conservatives are practicing Christians, so your premise is flawed...( I know shocking) so they would not stay virgins since conservative principles do not dictate no pre marries sex...
Secondly, when it comes to proclaimed self professing Christians in this country there is "ZERO" difference in social behaviors...compared to the general population
Third, but not lastly, either you are living under a rock to actually believe the nonsense you posted or it was a badly played "concern troll" post
Ps. I also was heavily influenced by
The Jesuits that ran the parish.
YEAH that’s What I will do.... < / sarcasm >
Really.... ?
Well I could have told you that.
You know the Jesuits rejected Humanae Vitae.
Hint, any group that does not regularly cite the Pope and the teachings of the Church, or who actually criticizes the pope and the Church teachings, is not with the Church.
Everything that was predicted in 1968 by the pope (Paul VI) in his letter, Humanae Vitae, wherein he predicts destruction of marriage and family, immodesty and denigration of women and push for acceptance of normalcy of homosexual behavior, among other things, not as a result of abortion but as a result of birth control. John Paul II later described abortion as being a fruit of birth control.
Your friends over in the Jesuit community rejected it on the grounds that the Catholics would not obey that teaching.
There are now consistently 50% Catholics voting for pro abortion democrats; Catholics who follow heretical leaders and claim the heresy is responsible for their thinking, but refuse to let go of their thinking - hooked on a lifestyle that the democrats say is okay.
It’s funny how when some people reject the Church they do so on the grounds of not wanting to be “told what to do”, but they follow someone anyway and it’s those who St. Paul predicted would tickle their ears with things they want to hear.
the Dominicans on the other hand were worse than not my friends...with their pointers and yardsticks and predilection for rapping my knuckles because of my penmanship etc. some serious emotional problems with those ladies...(a few really sweet)
“Ps. I also was heavily influenced by
The Jesuits that ran the parish”
You were (are?) influenced by people who were NOT your friends?
OK, whatever.
What a great column by Steven Crowder
Children in school are educated by whomever they were educated by...for good or evil.
those of us who put 2 and 2 together, in later life, sometimes got 4....those who didn’t wound up believing the same stale rhetoric...I chose to think for myself...but the education, in general was good. better than the public schools in my area.
“Ps. I also was heavily influenced by
The Jesuits that ran the parish”
Again, I’m just citing this. You sure didn’t gain debating skills from the Jesuits, who were experts at such.
the Parish Priests? they were omnipresent. they came in to read us(the boys) the riot act when things got real nasty and told us of the horrors of Sex, VD and Smoking the one who pulled me and my buds (7th or 8th grade) to tell the horrors of cigarettes, smoked like a chimney around the church/school grounds. the girls got meeting with the nuns about how to keep their knees together, etc.
debating...you are correct. I do not DO debating well.
but for someone to go through 10 years of school there and not get affected(by the good and the crud) would be near impossible....
and yet, I got a good education(3 Rs) for the most part and am glad I went there and not the union run public schools.
With no thought about the damage this would create...
That is the conventional wisdom these days.
It's insanity. The world has turned upside down.
Thank You!!! There is a a major difference. Probably vast majority of FR posters(as well as most people) have had premarital sex in a strong, committed relationship, don't regret it and are still happily married and premarital sex does not lead to the higher divorce rates.
Several weeks back on "19 Kids and Counting" one of the Duggars friends were getting married. Young, early 20's couple had only known each other for 6 months, had never kissed(waiting for the marriage day) and they had never been alone together w/o others being present. How do they even get to know each other on a truly close, personal level in 6 months under these conditions?? My gut feeling was the couple was going into the marriage very naieve. I truly wonder how many of these marriages are really happy down the road behind the "facede"? And yes, Christians cheat/get divorced at the same percentage as the rest of the general population as another poster pointed out (sorry Uncle Slayton)
On another site I post on, a similar thread was made and one of the women posters mentioned while she was not a virgin, (she had a couple previous relationships), her husband was and she decided to remain abstinent in this relationship until marriage because that is what her husband wanted(religious reasons). Well after 3 years of marriage she finally divorced him..cited the lack of no real passion from him.."mechanical sex' on his part, just no spark.. just nothing there. She regretted not knowing him before marriage on a more personal level and she did everything in her power to make it work. Of course not all no sex before marriage relationships are like this but how many are. Life is too short to go through life in a unhappy marriage or find yourself in a unaffectionate marriage.
Being abstinent until marriage is not for me but I do not condemn or make fun of the people who want to remain abstinent until marriage...good for you if that is the route you have taken. I have a long term GF, and we were very best friends, incredibly close, way before we fell for each other and became lovers...and that did not happen overnight trust me and neither of us regret becoming intimate..it has made our relationship much stronger.
Not what I see..and I am only 27 and see up close what is happening in the dating world today.
What it comes down to is the attractive, good personality, fun to be with (not in a sexual way) quality, ambitious, smart, good character girls have guys lined up in droves whether they are putting out or not...and I know a ton of these girls and they are not eating ice cream alone on a Saturday night...and they are not "putting out"
I'm going to be blunt her but it's the fact..if good girls are going dateless today they are unnatractive/homely.
Modern premarital sex rates have never really changed significantly since the 1940's...it is just more openly discussed today.
Before then premarital sex was not as common because people would get married very young or after just a few short months of dating. The long 1.5-2 years dating ritual we have today is a a modern trend.
BTW, a 1/3 of babies were born out of wedlock in early 1700's New England from records kept of the day (fact)
I'm referring to sex in a committed relationship leading to marriage. Yes, one night stand promiscuous style sex is way up.
Lots of words.
You lost me when I saw 19 kids . . .
Statistically, by the way, premarital relations leads to a higher divorce rate, just to set the record straight. Check your sources.
I always wonder how I got through with good formation when my classmates and siblings and cousins are liberal feminists and wimpy men boys whose wives run the Oprah household.
Dunno
The problem here wasn't the husband's pre-marital abstinence, it was his wife's lack of it (she'd had previous non-marital relationships which included sex). She'd brought all of that previous non-marital sexual experience into the marriage bed with her and it became a wedge in their relationship. It put her abstinent husband at a disadvantage. To her, sex was about technique and not about a relationship.
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