Posted on 09/19/2012 7:38:43 AM PDT by marktwain
At approximately 7:00 pm Saturday night, Ohio State Students Joe and Amanda Smith were approached by a threatening white male near Westland Mall requiring Joe, Buckeyes for Concealed Carry on Campus President, to use his concealed handgun to defend himself, his wife Amanda, and their sixteen month old son Kyedin.
The threatening male approached their vehicle while Amanda was buckling Kyedin into his stroller and Joe was near the tailgate. He began making cat calls at Amanda as he closed in on her. Amanda and Joe asked him to leave them alone. Joe placed himself between his wife and the aggressor while a panicked Amanda began to remove Kyedin from the stroller and place him back into the vehicle. The male then became belligerent and began issuing threats to Joe.
"He just kept coming, no matter what I said. Then he told me he had a gun and had no problem killing all of us," said Joe. Joe instructed Amanda to call the police while he engaged the threat. "He kept saying he was going to kill us. He stopped short to answer his phone and told whoever it was where he was and to come help him get this 'white honky.'"
"I demanded he stop, but he didn't. When he was about fifteen feet away, I drew my handgun," Joe explained. "I was prepared to shoot, but didn't have to."
According to Joe, the aggressor stopped, raised his hands, and began apologizing. An older vehicle arrived, presumably with the aggressor's backup. He got into the vehicle and left.
"I was terrified," said Amanda. "I'm glad Joe had his gun. Who knows what would've happened if he didn't."
Deputy Zachary P. Cooper (#933) of the Franklin County Sheriff's office responded to Amanda's 911 call in approximately 7 minutes. Deputy Cooper told Joe "this is exactly why law abiding citizens can carry firearms. I'm a firm believer in it."
Ohio Students for Concealed Carry State Director Michael Newbern points out that "Joe was forced to defend himself with his handgun on a Saturday." Newbern added, "What if this incident occurred on a weekday when Joe and Amanda were going home from campus and he would have been disarmed by Ohio State policy?
"This is why Ohio Students for Concealed Carry and Buckeyes for Concealed Carry is suing Ohio State to bring the student code of conduct in line with Ohio Revised Code," he added.
Students for Concealed Carry is a nationwide non-partisan student organization. The group's sole mission is to restore the right of law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms on all public university campuses. The group works to accomplish this mission by educating the public, university officials, and lawmakers of the facts about campus carry and lobbying to remove the restrictions on campus carry from the laws of the state.
I find it a little odd that a white male would refer to another white person as a white honky.
“Then he told me he had a gun and had no problem killing all of us.”
That is enough for Cletus to double-tap and then eliminate the driver of the getaway car when he arrived.
Too much “gun control” on Joe’s part was a dis-service to society.
:: I find it a little odd that a white male would refer to another white person as a white honky. ::
Those of Hispanic descent are classified as “caucasion” as are...odly enough...those of Middle Eastern descent.
Just saying...(so how can perceived “bias” against chicanoes and towleheads be racist?)
Most of these type of self defense situations go unreported as the cops often are not called.
I wonder how many lives are saved in this manner.
“I find it a little odd that a white male would refer to another white person as a white honky.”
Gangsta wannabe.
Truthfully, the story sounds a little contrived to me. Don't pull it until there is a real threat of severe bodily injury or death. Then, when you pull it, use it. Some punk ass mouthing off at 15 ft, while disconcerting, is no real threat to me.
As near as we can tell from surveys, about 95 percent of the time, the mere presence of the firearm is enough to defuse the situation, as it did in this case.
If you wait until you are forced to shoot, you forego the possibility of defusing the situation early, and may have to fight for your life.
Most people would rather have the criminal run off than be forced to shoot them.
Only white-trash hillbillies and no-account 0bama voters live near Westland Mall in Columbus. This is no surprise.
He should have shot out the car’s tires as they fled.
Or just put this dirtbag out of his misery.
You’ve obviously never heard an Eminem CD.
My thought exactly.
Nope. Never have. I do like M&Ms though, although I just about killed my dental health by eating them all the way through grad school when I was writing my thesis.
Mouthing off? Really? “I have a gun and will kill you.” is mouthing off? Sad to know that you will die before Cletus would in that same situation.
IIRC, 27 ft is the minimum taught to FBI/CIA/LEO for:
holster pull
safety off
shoot.
Great question.
Gunfacts.com estimates anywhere from 2-4+ million times a year.
Mark, your service to FR in posting 2A articles are deeply appreciated. I agree that the majority of street criminals can be run-off by the presence of a gun. I, too, would rather present my firearm and have the thug run away.
The difference I see is this was no ordinary street punk according to his own threats. A threat of death to the entire family is more than “disconcerting” (to quote another FReeper).
Cletus ain’t no shoot-em-up cowboy from Texas but 15 ft is too close for someone to threaten my wife and children.
Double-tap.
:: I wonder how many lives are saved in this manner. ::
I’d say, in this case, 5.
3 innocents who can go about pursuing life, liberty and happiness.
2 who can continue limitless crime sprees of all sorts, preying on the 53%.
Once again, when seconds count the police are minutes away. Thankfully the deputy sounds like one of the good guys on the issue of concealed carry.
Second Amendment - when seconds count and police are minutes away.
I gotta say, if the guy were acting belligerent and threatening me I’d do what the guy in the article did - pull out the gun and warn him. Then if he kept advancing toward me I’d shoot him until he stopped advancing. Obviously all verbal threats aren’t the same and don’t necessarily warrant pulling a gun.
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