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Time to Grow Up, GOP
Townhall.com ^ | January 16, 2013 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/16/2013 6:42:50 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: cripplecreek
My rule of thumb is that if I agree with any politician 100% of the time, one of us is lying.

Good axiom. No two people are going to agree on every single thing, since we're all different.

However, the core principles of conservatism shouldn't be up for debate within the party claiming to represent conservatism. Today's Republican Party can't even spell the word.

21 posted on 01/16/2013 7:14:58 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins
I've read some really dumb lines since the election, and the one above has got to be in the top 5.

It's sad when the lines are so dumb they're rankable, isn't it?

22 posted on 01/16/2013 7:16:01 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins
Most conservatives realized that Romney wasn't like the Kenyan monster, and they came out an voted to get rid of the monster.

It was those who decided to be purists, those who had this dumb Axelrodian fixation that Romney was as bad as the worst, most radical, most divisive, most anti-American, anti-capitalist, pro-Marxist, pro-Muzzie administration ever; they were the ones (the 2% idiots) that reelected Bambi by staying home, and they are the ones that will forever be to blame with each new weekly travesty the Kenyan performs to destroy America.

Do you like the new gun control laws this man is about to force on America by executive order? Look in the mirror..... Don't kid yourself, it was the idiot Axelrod driven purists that gave us what we have.

23 posted on 01/16/2013 7:22:22 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

However, the core principles of conservatism shouldn’t be up for debate within the party claiming to represent conservatism. Today’s Republican Party can’t even spell the word.


The beltway GOPs near total silence on gun control is very telling. At this time they are only out for personal gain and to take care of campaign contributors. We The People and our constitutional rights are nothing to them. The GOP elites feel we are not worth fighting for apparently.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 7:24:56 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Colonel_Flagg
We've got 4 more years of a manipulative, open commie sitting in our president's chair because the GOP wanted to appear “moderate” to get the “moderates”.

I'd far rather have gone down fighting to the bitter end with a Perry, BAchman, Cain, Santorum, or Gingrich (Palin?), than suffered through the embarrassment of that non-campaign by mittens the mild.

I get angry every time I think about that clown NOT engaging on Benghazi. There wasn't a thing in those damning investigative reports that wasn't known within about a week of Benghazi Burning.

Mr Timid apparently has been on a conflict deferment since the Vietnam era.

25 posted on 01/16/2013 7:27:05 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Kaslin
The GOP is a centralized bureauocracy and as such is subject to Pournelle's Iron Law: "in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself...in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions."

In other words, the GOP exists today to ensure the GOPs continued existance tomorrow. To that end they would gladly sell their souls. Or throw their conservative constituents under the bus.

We've gotten about as far as we can with politics and politicians.

26 posted on 01/16/2013 7:27:41 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Lakeshark

See #25


27 posted on 01/16/2013 7:29:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I believe the GOP needs to be at least 85% conservative leaning as a whole which means we need a hell of a lot more 95% + individual conservatives.


28 posted on 01/16/2013 7:30:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin
This is not only not true, it's a destructive myth.

Don't let all the defeats, surrenders and sell outs fool you.

29 posted on 01/16/2013 7:39:56 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Lakeshark

Do you like the new gun control laws this man is about to force on America by executive order? Look in the mirror..... Don’t kid yourself, it was the idiot Axelrod driven purists that gave us what we have.


Why are you trying to fight the last battle? I voted for Romney. He lost. Get over it.

Romney, his pathetic GOTV plan or whoever stayed home does not give Boehner/McConnell and the rest of the beltway GOP a free get out of jail card. It is no longer good enough just be not a democrat. These GOP men and women were elected to represent us and provide credible opposition to Obama.

When I googled “Boehner” and “gun control” yesterday the hits I got were from LAST MONTH.

Do you find that acceptable?

Is it conservatives fault that these beltway guys have no stomach to do heavy lifting and fight for our constitutional rights?

The beltway GOP are failing miserably in every political skirmish and could not lead a troop of scouts. Stop blaming conservatives for their failures.


30 posted on 01/16/2013 7:40:27 AM PST by lodi90
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To: xzins
We've got a lot more than four more years of manipulative, openly collectivist misrule in front of us. Minus a hard reset the souless scions of the Left will rule us until there is nothing left to rule.

Fortunately for us a hard reset within the next decade is likely. Unfortunately whatever it is it will bring suffering like no living American has ever experienced. But it is what we have asked for by elevating spoiled children to rule over us.

31 posted on 01/16/2013 7:41:20 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: OKSooner

Hi, there, Sooner!

We have been so badly burned by the GOPE, and we have discover American voters can be bought by a sugar daddy, made into a majority electorate, that it is painful to entertain some intellectual posit that it is we conservatives, the base, who are conceivably cramping the style of the Republican brand with our rigidity.

I just don’t understand why the Constitution is barely give a hat tip, public schools are camps for Marxist curriculum, the tiny union behaves like thugs that they are, Hollywood despises Americans but loves America so much they want us to equally distribute poverty and opportunity. No one must excel on merit or in prosperity.

I can’t change on those counts, but apparently we’re going to anway, against my wishes. ;,/


32 posted on 01/16/2013 7:41:34 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: xzins
I saw (and met) Breitbart 3 weeks before he died.

It was when Newt was ascending, and looked like the nominee. The group assembled was from all wings of the right, each one had their pet candidate, and was shilling for them.

He looked at everyone there (this was waaaaay before Romney won, no way anyone thought he would win back then), and said to work like Hell for the candidate you want now, but whoever wins, whoever wins, you have to coalesce around that candidate because: If you don't, you will be responsible for allowing the most monstrous, anti-everything you claim to love administration ever to have another term effectively destroying America.

I understood immediately that he was right. I was for Newt (after Palin didn't run), and would have accepted heartily the ones you mention, even though I didn't think they were as good as Newt. Romney was barely my second to last choice behind Ron Paul.

Now that the 2% have gotten what they want, Breitbart was correct, they are responsible for each week's travesty the monster will do. Anyone who actually believed the Axelrodian invention that Romney was as bad as the Kenyan and stayed home or voted third party as a result, they're the ones at fault for each new disaster.

Sorry, it's simply true.

33 posted on 01/16/2013 7:41:49 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: kevkrom
"Jonah’s flat-out wrong here with respect to the GOP - the party has no use for conservatives, outside of demanding “tribute” in the way of votes and donations.

I agree, for conservatives, the GOP is a ruined brand.

Time for a new party.

34 posted on 01/16/2013 7:46:16 AM PST by jpsb (USMC vet)
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To: lodi90
When legislation actually passes that is detrimental we'll talk, for now it's going to be done through executive orders that the monster will put in place.

Pointing out how the Axelrodian purists reelected the monster is hardly fighting the last battle........

35 posted on 01/16/2013 7:48:13 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark

Saying the 2% lost the election is the same as saying that Romney failed at reaching out to the 2%.

It is evident now that the numbers of voters were down across the board. It’s also evident that Romney maxed out on those who did go to vote. He did NOT get blacks, Hispanics, the “he doesn’t care about me” vote.

So, all his efforts to win liberals & moderates were to no avail. They figured, “Why vote for lite when you can have the real thing?”

In sum, Romney lost because he refused to reach out to conservatives. Instead he made stupid remarks about gay couples adopting, about health of the mother abortions, about bi-partisan gun legislation being the kind he likes. He refused to engage over Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and the Arab Spring.

He lost enough conservatives in doing so that suggests he could have won if he’d simply backtracked and reached out.

Given Romney’s past comments on guns, I’ve no doubt he’d be leading the charge at Sandy Hook to ban guns. It’s just the kind of squish that he was.


36 posted on 01/16/2013 7:53:12 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lakeshark

Key thinking there, for sure! We shall unlock no doors but with a single key! Not five.

Without a drop dead date ESTABLISHED in ADVANCE for coalescing, we cannibalize our candidates ourselves.


37 posted on 01/16/2013 7:54:11 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: xzins
I'd far rather have gone down fighting to the bitter end with a Perry, BAchman, Cain, Santorum, or Gingrich (Palin?), than suffered through the embarrassment of that non-campaign by mittens the mild.

This, Chaplain. Well said.

And you know, in the final analysis, it wouldn't really have mattered to me in which order those names you listed might have appeared. I was never a Gingrich fan during the primaries (and am even less so now) but had he prevailed he'd have been a much better option.

The wagon-circling by the establishment (and yes, Jonah, you are part of the Republican Establishment) is telling.

38 posted on 01/16/2013 8:02:24 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Silver Sabre

Yep. Demographics is destiny.


39 posted on 01/16/2013 8:04:46 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Kaslin
...the GOP establishment is a cabal of weak-kneed sellouts who regularly light votive candles to a poster of liberal Republican icon Nelson Rockefeller Mitt Romney.

Fixed.

40 posted on 01/16/2013 8:07:51 AM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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