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To: ilgipper
Rubio (or any Republican) would win getting 40% of Hispanics.

BS. I suggest you take a look at an electoral map and also where most Hispanics live. According to the exit polls, Hispanics/Latinos made up 10% of the total vote, compared to 13% for blacks and 3% for Asians. Whites made up 72% of the vote--I presume that that figure includes some white Hispanics since 53% of Hispanics self-describe themselves as white. Non-Hispanic whites are 66% of the population.

Hispanics voted 71% to 27% for Obama. Even if Rubio were to increase his vote total of Hispanics by an additional 13%, it would be of dubious value electorally except perhaps for FL. Ted Cruz received about 36% of the Hispanic vote in Texas compared to Romney's 30%. And this is Texas. No way Rubio gets 40% nationwide especially if Hillary is the Dem nominee.

Reps are deluded if they believe that nominating a token candidate to take advantage of identity politics will be successful against the Dems. And I bet that Hillary will surpass Obama in getting the woman's vote. Obama got 55% of the woman's vote.

He is Reaganesque in his speaking, and has been a solid legislator for conservatives (not perfect, but solid).

What has he done of note?

If he navigates a reasonable result on immigration, I think he’ll prove to be a worthy candidate. I’ve said for awhile, this immigration will make or break Rubio’s presidential aspirations. His position is reasonable; the question is whether legislation reflect his ideas or is a sellout to the left to allow amnesty after the fact.

Reasonable? I beg to differ. Rubio has joined with Schumer, McCain, and Graham to give us essentially McCain-Kennedy all over again. He is supporting amnesty. As someone who has actually read Simpson-Mazzoli, Hagel-Martinez, and McCain-Kennedy, what we see is old win in new bottles. Rubio is just the new salesman for amnesty.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty.

The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

36 posted on 02/04/2013 10:20:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Besides, granting citizenship to 11-12 mln (some estimate it at 18 mln) will perpetuate the democrats rule. We wil have a one party system for decades to come.


42 posted on 02/04/2013 10:26:18 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: kabar

Rubio isn’t Hispanic. He’s a white Cuban who speaks Spanish. The mixed blood Mexicans - the biggest ethnic group of Latin Americans in the US will never vote for him.


55 posted on 02/04/2013 10:37:13 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabar

Excellent post on Rubio. Stated it best of all


73 posted on 02/04/2013 11:04:09 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: kabar
RE: What has he done of note?

National Key Votes

Date Bill No. Bill Title Outcome Vote
Jan. 1, 2013 HR 8 Job Protection and Recession Prevention Act of 2012 Bill Passed - Senate
(89 - 8)
Nay
Dec. 28, 2012 HR 5949 FISA Amendments Act Reauthorization Act of 2012 Bill Passed - Senate
(73 - 23)
Yea
Dec. 21, 2012 HR 4310 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(81 - 14)
Yea
Dec. 4, 2012 Treaty Doc. 112-7 The Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities Treaty Ratification Failed - Senate
(61 - 38)
Nay
Nov. 30, 2012 S Amdt 3025 Requires Sufficient Sizing of Civilian and Contract Services Workforces Amendment Rejected - Senate
(41 - 53)
Nay
Nov. 29, 2012 S Amdt 3018 Prohibits the Indefinite Detention of Citizens and Lawful Permanent Residents Amendment Adopted - Senate
(67 - 29)
Nay
Nov. 29, 2012 S Amdt 3245 Prohibits the Use of Funds for the Transfer or Release of Individuals Detained at Guantanamo Bay Amendment Adopted - Senate
(54 - 41)
Yea
Nov. 29, 2012 S Amdt 3058 Expands TRICARE Coverage of Autism Amendment Adopted - Senate
(66 - 29)
Yea
Nov. 29, 2012 S Amdt 3096 Accelerated Transition of US Military Operations to the Government of Afghanistan Amendment Adopted - Senate
(62 - 33)
Nay
Nov. 28, 2012 S Amdt 2985 Repeals the Limit on the Use of Funds to Procure Alternative Fuel Amendment Adopted - Senate
(62 - 37)
Nay
Nov. 28, 2012 S Amdt 3095 Repeals the Prohibition on Biofuel Refinery Construction Amendment Adopted - Senate
(54 - 41)
Nay
Nov. 28, 2012 S Amdt 2955 Expands the Public Safety Officers' Benefits Program Amendment Adopted - Senate
(85 - 11)
Yea
Nov. 14, 2012 S 3414 Cybersecurity Act of 2012 Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(51 - 47)
Nay
Sept. 22, 2012 H J Res 117 Continuing Appropriations Resolution, 2013 Joint Resolution Passed - Senate
(62 - 30)
Nay
Aug. 2, 2012 S 3414 Cybersecurity Act of 2012 Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(52 - 46)
Did Not Vote
July 25, 2012 S Amdt 2573 Tax Hike Prevention Act of 2012 Amendment Rejected - Senate
(45 - 54)
Yea
July 25, 2012 S 3412 Middle Class Tax Cut Act Bill Passed - Senate
(51 - 48)
Nay
July 19, 2012 S 3364 Bring Jobs Home Act Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(56 - 42)
Nay
July 17, 2012 S 3369 DISCLOSE Act Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(53 - 45)
Nay
July 12, 2012 S 2237 Small Business Jobs and Tax Relief Act Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(53 - 44)
Nay
June 21, 2012 S 3240 Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012 Bill Passed - Senate
(64 - 35)
Nay
June 21, 2012 S Amdt 2310 Requires Labels on Foods with Genetically Modified Ingredients Amendment Rejected - Senate
(26 - 73)
Nay
June 21, 2012 S Amdt 2372 Prohibits the EPA from Conducting Aerial Surveillance of Agricultural Operations Amendment Rejected - Senate
(56 - 43)
Yea
June 20, 2012 S Amdt 2454 Prohibits Food Aid to North Korea Unless Waived by President Amendment Adopted - Senate
(59 - 40)
Nay
June 19, 2012 S Amdt 2156 Increases Funding for the Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Program Amendment Rejected - Senate
(33 - 66)
Nay
June 19, 2012 S Amdt 2172 Rescinds Bonuses to States for Administering Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) Amendment Rejected - Senate
(41 - 58)
Yea
June 19, 2012 S Amdt 2181 Limits Farm Subsidies to Farmers with Incomes Under $250,000 Amendment Rejected - Senate
(15 - 84)
Yea
June 19, 2012 S Amdt 2174 Limits Eligibility for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) Amendment Rejected - Senate
(43 - 56)
Yea
June 13, 2012 S Amdt 2393 Repeals Sugar Subsidies Amendment Tabled - Senate
(50 - 46)
Yea
June 13, 2012 S Amdt 2392 Reduces Funding for Food Stamps Amendment Tabled - Senate
(65 - 33)
Nay
June 5, 2012 S 3220 Paycheck Fairness Act Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(52 - 47)
Nay
May 24, 2012 S Amdt 2153 Prohibits Increase in Interest Rates for Student Loans (Lamar Bill) Amendment Rejected - Senate
(34 - 62)
Yea
May 24, 2012 S Amdt 2107 Authorizes Import of FDA-Approved Drugs from Canada Amendment Rejected - Senate
(43 - 54)
Nay
May 24, 2012 S Amdt 2108 Prohibits FDA Approval of Genetically Engineered Fish Amendment Rejected - Senate
(46 - 50)
Nay
May 24, 2012 S 2343 Extends Student Loan Interest Rates (Reid Bill) Bill Failed - Senate
(51 - 43)
Nay
May 24, 2012 S Amdt 2111 Prohibits Pharmaceutical Companies from Delaying the Release of Generic Drugs Amendment Rejected - Senate
(28 - 67)
Nay
May 15, 2012 HR 2072 Export-Import Bank Reauthorization Act of 2012 Bill Passed - Senate
(78 - 20)
Nay
May 8, 2012 S 2343 Extends Student Loan Interest Rates (Reid Bill) Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(52 - 45)
Nay
April 26, 2012 S 1925 Reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act Bill Passed - Senate
(68 - 31)
Nay
April 25, 2012 S 1789 United States Postal Service Amendments Bill Passed - Senate
(62 - 37)
Nay
April 16, 2012 S 2230 Establishes a Minimum 30 Percent Tax Rate for High-Income Taxpayers Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(51 - 45)
Nay
March 29, 2012 S 2204 Amends Energy-Related Tax Credits Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(51 - 47)
Nay
March 20, 2012 S Amdt 1836 Reauthorizing the Export-Import Bank of the United States Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(55 - 44)
Nay
March 8, 2012 S Amdt 1537 Approving the Keystone XL Pipeline Project Amendment Rejected - Senate
(56 - 42)
Yea
March 1, 2012 S Amdt 1520 Authorizes Moral and Religious Objections to Certain Health Care Items and Services Amendment Tabled - Senate
(51 - 48)
Nay
Feb. 17, 2012 HR 3630 Extends Payroll Tax Cut Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(60 - 36)
Yea
Feb. 6, 2012 HR 658 Federal Aviation Administration Act of 2012 Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(75 - 20)
Yea
Feb. 2, 2012 S Amdt 1472 Prohibits Consideration of Bills Containing Earmarks Amendment Rejected - Senate
(40 - 59)
Yea
Feb. 2, 2012 S 2038 Prohibits Insider Trading by Government Officials Bill Passed - Senate
(96 - 3)
Yea
Feb. 2, 2012 S Amdt 1491 Requires Disclosure of Financial Transactions by Executive Branch Employees Amendment Adopted - Senate
(58 - 41)
Yea

76 posted on 02/04/2013 11:08:41 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: kabar
Reps are deluded if they believe that nominating a token candidate to take advantage of identity politics will be successful against the Dems.

Besides, amnesty is a poisoned chalice. What good is it to win an election and then be locked out for decades afterwards? Whatever happened to long term thinking? The big problem is that Hispanics are, on average, much dumber (meaning have lower IQ's) than the Southern and Eastern Europeans who came in the late 19th and early 20th century. And yet that earlier wave of immigration led to Democratic dominance for most of the last 100 years.

85 posted on 02/04/2013 11:29:01 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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