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The State V. God
Townhall.com ^ | June 26, 2013 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 06/27/2013 4:52:06 PM PDT by Kaslin

On Wednesday, the Supreme Court of the United States doubled down on the newly popular perspective that same-sex marriage opponents are motivated by hate and nastiness. Making little pretense at legal reasoning, the Court declared that the Defense of Marriage Act was just a government attempt to "degrade or demean" homosexuals. While the Court ultimately declined to make same-sex marriage the law of the land, it paved the groundwork for such a decision. Meanwhile, public opinion polls now suggest that a majority of Americans support same-sex marriage. Make no mistake: Same-sex marriage will be the law of the land within the next several years.

The ramifications of that move are stunningly far-reaching. The argument that gay marriage doesn't affect straight marriages is a ridiculous red herring: Gay marriage affects society and law in dramatic ways. Religious groups will come under direct assault as federal and state governments move to strip them of their non-profit statuses if they refuse to perform gay marriages. Public schools across the country will be forced to teach homosexual marriage alongside traditional marriage. Religious business owners will be leveraged to pay for benefits for same-sex spouses.

In the left's view, all of this is to the greater glory of humanity. In the leftist view, there is no freedom to associate or freedom of religion if those rights come into conflict with the left's view of morality. Religious florists must provide flowers for gay weddings; religious organizations must pay for abortion and contraception. What you do in your church makes you immoral, says the left -- so immoral that your church must be removed from the public square or forced to bow to the power of the state.

For years, the left proclaimed that conservatives seek a theocracy, that religious Americans are the domestic equivalent of the Taliban or other religious fundamentalist dictators. That wasn't true; placing the Ten Commandments, the foundation for Western civilization, in public view is hardly beheading religious dissenters. But that rhetoric had an impact. It sent religious Americans into retreat. For several decades, religious Americans have abided by an unspoken libertarian agreement: You leave us alone, and we will leave you alone. And so the debate largely ended with regard to legislation on sexual mores. It largely ended with regard to public displays of religiosity.

But the tacit libertarian agreement didn't exist for the left. The left saw the power of government as a replacement for God entirely. The Ten Commandments the left so despises were reversed to apply to the state. The state is our god, to whom we address our petitions. No other gods may come before the state, including the traditional God. The state's name may not be taken in vain, even to enforce privately negotiated contracts. The state will provide us with Sabbath -- years of Sabbaths, actually, at the expense of others. Fathers and mothers are not to be honored. In fact, fathers and mothers are unnecessary. Murder in the name of the state can be justified by political expedience, depending upon whom the state labels an enemy. Sexual promiscuity is condoned and even sponsored by the state. Stealing the money of others is sanctioned by the state. Falsehood in the name of political correctness is mandated by the state. And as for coveting ... well, without it, could we justify a single redistributionist government scheme?

Same-sex marriage is not the final nail in the coffin for traditional marriage. It is just another road sign toward the substitution of government for God. Every moral discussion now pits the wisest moral arbiters among us -- the Supreme Court, President Obama -- against traditional religion.

"Today we can go back to California and tell all four of our boys that your family is just as good as any other family," said one of the plaintiffs in the Proposition 8 case. Of course, she could have told her adopted children that at any time. But she wanted the moral imprimatur of the state to justify her ethics.

And why not? The state now grants moral authority and legitimacy, even in the face of thousands of years of Judeo-Christian-based Western civilization. It answers our prayers and cares for our needs. Sadly, it may take decades before the American people recognize that the state is both fiscally and morally bankrupt. But in the meantime, we'll laud ourselves for our unearned moral superiority, conferred on us by a benevolent government golden calf of our own making.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: god; judeochristianvalues; morality; supremecourt

1 posted on 06/27/2013 4:52:06 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

In the war of God vs. the state, I know in end the it will not be the state.


2 posted on 06/27/2013 4:57:32 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Kaslin

You wanna see some real nastiness? Read some posts from homosexuals to Christians. They despise us and rightly so. People who engage in perversion don’t like having their sins made apparent.


3 posted on 06/27/2013 4:59:10 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Kaslin

“Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves”


4 posted on 06/27/2013 4:59:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: CitizenUSA

Salt is poison to the diseased ...


5 posted on 06/27/2013 5:02:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Kaslin
Justice Kennedy wrote the Lawrence majority opinion in 2003, making up stuff ex nihilo and totally refusing to deal with the recent, and btw ruling, precedent in Bowers vs. Hardwick that had upheld an essentially identical Georgia law in 1986.

Now Kennedy writes again.

Question: Is there something about Kennedy that we don't know? Is he the Court's backroom Master Gay Strategist? Is he gay himself?

6 posted on 06/27/2013 5:25:07 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Biggirl

That’s right...we know who wins this argument in the end.


7 posted on 06/27/2013 5:26:06 PM PDT by madmominct
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To: Kaslin; little jeremiah; Antoninus
[Art.] The state now grants moral authority and legitimacy, even in the face of thousands of years of Judeo-Christian-based Western civilization.

Not just Judeo-Christian morality. Of all the major sources of moral education, not one explicitly endorses or commends sexual perversion. Which, btw, and by the operation of mathematics (facts are so stubborn) remains "deviant" and contra naturam.

The homosexuals like to talk about Greek pederasty .... but the Greeks also invented pedagogy, as a social protection against the selfishness and degradation of pederasty and ephebophilia.

8 posted on 06/27/2013 5:29:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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Lot's wife
9 posted on 06/27/2013 6:50:40 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Kaslin
The State V. God

SPOILER ALERT!




GOD wins! !




DUH...

10 posted on 06/28/2013 4:20:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: combat_boots
Lot may have been a righteous man; but he called fags "Friends" and he barely escaped with his life!
11 posted on 06/28/2013 4:21:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
...the Court declared that the Defense of Marriage Act was just a government attempt to "degrade or demean" homosexuals.

Isn't that interesting!!






Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 
 
 
 

12 posted on 06/28/2013 4:24:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin

2 Timothy 4:3 NIV

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


13 posted on 06/28/2013 4:25:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
The time is NOW!
14 posted on 06/28/2013 4:25:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Well presented, Elsie.


15 posted on 06/28/2013 4:35:14 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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