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Shame ... you seem to be a pretty good guy. Why you want to have a verbal fight about a subject with someone who has over 40 years of experience in it. But insults aside ... Please research ... No offense but from your posts it is pretty obvious you have not the slightest idea of what you're talking about. My students practice by one holding a gun and saying "bang" when they see motion of the other student when they move to disarm. The average disarming student will have the gun pointed at the assailant before they can say "bang" using just basic techniques. Real bullets would strike the holder of the gun. Remember I said we only do this within arms length.

My point is and always was that I don't need one "in the pipe". By the time I would rack a round the knife guy would be close enough for me to "deal" with him lots quicker without my gun and his knife would be mine. Don't need to be Chuck Norris to do that ... any half way decent brown belt could do it. BTW my instructors were Bruce Lee's instructors (Wally Jay ... RIP) ... not Chuck Norris.

If I actually insulted you, that was not my intent. I have very thick skin and I sometimes jest a bit too much with others.

I have no issues with your appraisal of who owns possession of a firearm at arms length distances. My issue was with 20+ ft. My appraisal is that anything over 6’ is a roll of the dice on your part, no matter how good you are. That other guy might be quicker than you think.

I took two guys at ~10’ and 45 degrees apart. A distance I was holding onto. I moved first, as they broke my comfort zone. Any closer and I think they would have taken me.

That said, I had a young punk at about 5’ pull on me without warning and he was shaking so bad I thought he might shoot me by accident. I never found the advantage to take the weapon, but I know some might have.

If I actually insulted you, that was not my intent. I have very thick skin and I sometimes jest a bit too much with others.

I have no issues with your appraisal of who owns possession of a firearm at arms length distances. My issue was with 20+ ft. My appraisal is that anything over 6’ is a roll of the dice on your part, no matter how good you are. That other guy might be quicker than you think.

I took two guys at ~10’ and 45 degrees apart. A distance I was holding onto. I moved first, as they broke my comfort zone. Any closer and I think they would have taken me.

That said, I had a young punk at about 5’ pull on me without warning and he was shaking so bad I thought he might shoot me by accident. I never found the advantage to take the weapon, but I know some might have.