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How to Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments
American Thinker ^ | July 7, 2013 | Theodore Koehl

Posted on 07/07/2013 5:42:17 PM PDT by neverdem

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http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm


21 posted on 07/07/2013 6:18:04 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: cripplecreek
Last summer Pete Hoekstra made the comment that he would like to get rid of the 17th amendment and the democrats went rabid screeching about him wanting to TAKE YOUR VOTE AWAY!!!!

We have got to harden ourselves to democrats going rabid and screeching. There is no good reason that technique should work so damn well for them.

22 posted on 07/07/2013 6:19:09 PM PDT by Reddon
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To: 0.E.O

i think you would have a bunch of dead state legislators


23 posted on 07/07/2013 6:21:03 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: phockthis

Thanks for the link.


24 posted on 07/07/2013 6:21:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: cripplecreek

We can hope and dream for all of these remedies to happen, but the truth is that nothing will be done to fix this country until some very unpleasant things occur. I don’t know if that is another mass secession and/or civil war, a devastating war with external forces, a truly staggering economic blow, or some kind of unknown biological outbreak. I’m not Nostradamus, nor am I hoping for any of this. I just know that there are too many people in this country who don’t want to make any changes from our current path.


25 posted on 07/07/2013 6:22:54 PM PDT by EricT. (This post has been recorded and cataloged for your security.)
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To: neverdem

The Law That Never Was [16th Amendment]

After an extensive year-long nationwide research project, William J. Benson discovered that the 16th Amendment was not ratified by the requisite three-fourths of the states and that nevertheless Secretary of State Philander Knox had fraudulently declared ratification.

It was a shocking revelation; it reached deep to the core of our American system of government.

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/


26 posted on 07/07/2013 6:23:26 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: neverdem

Good luck and spread the word.

Watch this short video and Then read the court decision from Texas down below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6b4YrXayzE

“The rights of the individuals are restricted only to the extent that they have been voluntarily surrendered by the citizenship to the agencies of government.”
City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944


27 posted on 07/07/2013 6:26:17 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: neverdem

16th bad, 17th bad, 18th bad ....... hmmm, how badly do I want to make female Freepers angry? Actually, they are the ones who give me hope that the 19th isn’t all bad. There just aren’t enough of them.


28 posted on 07/07/2013 6:27:32 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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FR is funded solely by the freedom loving folks
who love and use it.

29 posted on 07/07/2013 6:28:49 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: Hostage

It would be abused no matter what we do. There isn’t going to be an easy way back.


30 posted on 07/07/2013 6:29:15 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem

“In 1899 problems in electing a senator in Delaware became so acute that the state legislature did not send a senator to Washington for four years.”

This is a bad thing? - had that stalemate continued but another 70 years, we wouldn’t have that idiot Joe Biden to put up with today.

But seriously, of the many reforms we’d need to restore the original genius of our constitutional republic, these two would be among the most consequential.


31 posted on 07/07/2013 6:30:48 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: bigheadfred

Great. Then they’d all vote Democrat.


32 posted on 07/07/2013 6:35:50 PM PDT by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: neverdem; All
Americans may be able to regain control over their federal government by moving their respective individual state legislatures to invalidate the 16th and 17th Amendments to the United States Constitution. Essentially, this is a vote to reverse ratification of an Amendment without a Constitutional Convention.

Given the wording of Article V, the above scenario may be constitutional.

However...

The problem is that all three branches of the federal government are corrupt, and I can see pro-unconstitutionally big federal government activist justices ultimately giving the vote to ratify repeal of 16 and 17 to low-information voters who would be misguided to not repeal these amendments. What am I overlooking?

However again...

Regarding state legislature control of the Senate, I think that at least one state has proposed letting state lawmakers pick the candidates from whom voters will choose their state's federal senators. And since it is well known that the corrupt media chooses political candidates from out of nowhere anyway, I don't see anything unconstitutional about state lawmakers selecting Senate candidates from which voters will elect their state's federal senators.

And when state legislatures regain control of the federal Senate, then senators can block bills from the HoR which ignore Justice John Marshall's clarification that the states are prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue which Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

33 posted on 07/07/2013 6:37:57 PM PDT by Amendment10
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bump


34 posted on 07/07/2013 6:40:34 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: dontreadthis
Levin Liberty Project?

Brilliant minds think alike, funny this is released before he gives hints to what is game plan is this week....

35 posted on 07/07/2013 6:44:41 PM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks.....)
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To: neverdem

I doubt that the US senate would ever agree to repealing the 16th, or more to the point, the 17th Amendment, so I devised an end-around, with a new amendment.

It would address a litany of problems with the federal government in all three branches, executive, legislative, and judicial, as well as reigning in the federal bureaucracy.

It does this by creating a body that is similar in composition to the senate, but is composed of 100 state appointed judges. It is the Second Court of the United States. It is superior to the US courts of appeal, but it is inferior to the SCOTUS.

Importantly, it is *not* a federal court, and does *not* decide the constitutionality of cases appealed to it; but instead, it decides the ultimate *jurisdiction* of the cases, whether they are indeed federal cases, or whether they should be returned to the states for decision.

Right now there is a terrible bottleneck of appellate cases, some 8,000 a year, sent to the SCOTUS, which can only hear a few dozen. So the rest of them revert to the decisions of the appellate courts.

In practical terms, this would give the states the final say in countless federal criminal and civil trials. This means that the efforts of decades of activist federal judges would be overturned as “not your (federal) business.”

The Second Court of the United States would also have an original jurisdiction for all lawsuits between the states and the federal government. Right now, if Holder sues Arizona to overturn a law he doesn’t like, it has to go through several layers of federal judges, taking years. And those judges are inclined to support the federal prerogatives, not those of the states.

This would change that. If Arizona sued Holder, the case would go right to the Second Court, and it would be up to the *states* to determine who wins. And yes, Holder can still appeal to the SCOTUS, but they don’t have to take the case.

From that point on, if the federal bureaucracy made itself obnoxious to the states, they could sue it, and let the other states decide if it was being oppressive.

It would finally be a federal government pruning mechanism.


36 posted on 07/07/2013 6:47:25 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; All
I doubt that the US senate would ever agree to repealing the 16th, or more to the point, the 17th Amendment, so I devised an end-around, with a new amendment.

With all due respect yefragetuwrabrumuy, if I understand your statement correctly, the federal government has no power to ratify or not ratify proposed amendments to the Constitution.

37 posted on 07/07/2013 6:53:42 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: taildragger

imagine that the state legislatures presently controlled by Republicans were controlled by Freep-minded individuals.


38 posted on 07/07/2013 6:58:31 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: rurgan

What about the 19th amendment.....Started the down fall of this country.


39 posted on 07/07/2013 7:22:49 PM PDT by mm427 (Repeal the 19th amendment.)
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To: neverdem

The chances of this happening are considerably south of slim and none.


40 posted on 07/07/2013 7:24:46 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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