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To: fieldmarshaldj
You keep living in this fantasy world of what you think it will magically be with repeal

Uh, no. I have never promised anything of the sort. It is you who keeps assuming that I do.

The level of corruption was an epidemic.

Not true. It is what the progressives of the day repeated for decades, since the 1880s with the intent of destroying enumerated powers. Oh, and even if true, corruption is dealt with via statutes and not constitutional amendments. Sheesh.

With a hundred year track record, you can certainly defend the 17th, right? So tell me how popular election of senators has secured our rights and kept the national government within its constitutional box.

Societies make mistakes. The Leftist 17th Amendment you support is one of them.

24 posted on 08/13/2013 3:47:26 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie; fieldmarshaldj
>> Societies make mistakes. The Leftist 17th Amendment you support is one of them. <<

The ironic thing is your beloved state legislatures overwhelmingly ratified it (only 8 states failed to do so, and only in a single state did the legislature explicitly vote it down), and it wouldn't have become the law of the land without them.

Oh, and that income tax amendment you say is as bad as the 17th? It was passed by state legislature appointed Senators, NOT popularly elected ones.

30 posted on 08/13/2013 3:57:21 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: Jacquerie
"Uh, no. I have never promised anything of the sort. It is you who keeps assuming that I do."

Ah, but that's precisely what you do with this foolishness.

"Not true. It is what the progressives of the day repeated for decades, since the 1880s with the intent of destroying enumerated powers. Oh, and even if true, corruption is dealt with via statutes and not constitutional amendments. Sheesh."

Sorry, but it is true. You're talking to a political historian here who knows the facts.

"With a hundred year track record, you can certainly defend the 17th, right? So tell me how popular election of senators has secured our rights and kept the national government within its constitutional box."

The hilarity here is that YOU want to entrust these same politicians with even more power... give them a blank check and absolute control over half the federal legislative branch. Given the choice of direct accountability to the people or a wink-wink-nudge-nudge "accountability" to their flunkies or puppetmasters (whichever way it goes) in the state capitols. Yeah, brilliant.

"Societies make mistakes. The Leftist 17th Amendment you support is one of them."

No, Jack, it's not a mistake. You keep repeating foolishness with the hope that if it's said enough times it will somehow be true. BTW, where's that list of great individuals that will populate that Senate of yours ? I guess you don't want Cruz or Paul or Lee. Interesting you keep refusing to acknowledge that.

31 posted on 08/13/2013 3:59:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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