Kerry: The UN can’t do anything, so we’ll go it alone

Hot Air ^ | August 30, 2013 | Ed Morrissey

[Hotlanta Mike]

Old and busted, John Kerry edition: Protecting America against terrorism requires us to pass a “global test” to prove that the threat really exists:

"No president, though all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America.

But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you’re doing what you’re doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGnbsolh6Js

New hotness, John Kerry edition: The UN and the global community are totally dysfunctional, so the US should just act on its own:

[Hotlanta Mike]

John Kerry was against "go it alone" before he was for it...

[null and void]

Syria threatens the US how, again?

[Mr. K]

where is that Nixon interview where he says “It not illegal when the president does it”

[BenLurkin]

Who are “we” John?

Do you and Hussein have mice in your pockets?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

John Fraud Kerry is behaving in a fashion reminiscent of Jin-jus Khan.

[Yosemitest]

Maybe we should bomb the GUILTY PARTY instead.
Bomb the Muslim Brotherhood, and Saudi Prince Bandar since they're the ones who supplied and did the chemical attack in Syria.
Now the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF is really in a quandrum.
No wait, Obama has no problem lying about the facts.
And the LAME Stream Media SELLS his LIES to anyone that will buy them.

It really is a "more progressive, blood lust".
Little do they know that they are fulfilling what our Heavenly Father said would happen.
Yet they are seeing the Greater Exodus happening before our eyes,
and most either are too involved in their "day-to-day lives", or they just don't want to see, that what God SAID would happen ... IS happening now.
Hussein of America is INTENTIONALLY DESTROYING AMERICA, from the inside out.


The United States and Syria?:

Behold,
Damascus is taken away from being a city,
and it shall be a ruinous heap.
The cities of Aroer are forsaken:
they shall be for flocks,
which shall lie down,
and none shall make them afraid.
The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus,
and the remnant of Syria:
they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel,
saith the LORD of hosts.
And in that day it shall come to pass,
that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin,
and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean.
And it shall be
as when the harvestman gathereth the corn,
and reapeth the ears with his arm;
and it shall be
as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim.
Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it,
as the shaking of an olive tree,
two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough,
four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof,
saith the LORD God of Israel.
At that day
shall a man look to his Maker,
and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
And he shall not look to the altars, the work of his hands,
neither shall respect that which his fingers have made,
either the groves, or the images.
In that day shall his strong cities be as a forsaken bough,
and an uppermost branch, which they left because of the children of Israel:
and there shall be desolation.
Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation,
and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength,
therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants,
and shalt set it with strange slips:
In the day shalt thou make thy plant to grow,
and in the morning shalt thou make thy seed to flourish:
but the harvest shall be a heap
in the day of grief and of desperate sorrow.
Woe to the multitude of many people,
which make a noise like the noise of the seas;
and to the rushing of nations,
that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters:
but God shall rebuke them,
and they shall flee far off,
and shall be chased
as the chaff of the mountains before the wind,
and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
And behold at eveningtide
trouble;
and before the morning
he is not.
This is the portion of them that spoil us,
and the lot of them that rob us. "

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[Yosemitest]

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.
By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013

This article is a collaboration between Dale Gavlak reporting for Mint Press News and Yahya Ababneh.

Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.

The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.

Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.

The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.

More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.

Saudi involvement

In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.

Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.

“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.

“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.

“Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise,” Ingersoll wrote.

“Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy,” he added.

According to U.K.’s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandar’s intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.

The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was “serious” about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.

“They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn’t: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout,” it said.

Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabia’s top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.

To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan. The newspaper reports that he met with the “uneasy Jordanians about such a base”:

His meetings in Amman with Jordan’s King Abdullah sometimes ran to eight hours in a single sitting. “The king would joke: ‘Oh, Bandar’s coming again? Let’s clear two days for the meeting,’ ” said a person familiar with the meetings.

Jordan’s financial dependence on Saudi Arabia may have given the Saudis strong leverage. An operations center in Jordan started going online in the summer of 2012, including an airstrip and warehouses for arms. Saudi-procured AK-47s and ammunition arrived, WSJ reported, citing Arab officials.

Although Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that “funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.”

But rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as “al-Habib” or ‘the lover’ by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.

Peter Oborne, writing in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday, has issued a word of caution about Washington’s rush to punish the Assad regime with so-called ‘limited’ strikes not meant to overthrow the Syrian leader but diminish his capacity to use chemical weapons:

Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them.

It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.

Some information in this article could not be independently verified. Mint Press News will continue to provide further information and updates .

Dale Gavlak is a Middle East correspondent for Mint Press News and has reported from Amman, Jordan, writing for the Associated Press, NPR and BBC. An expert in Middle Eastern affairs, Gavlak covers the Levant region, writing on topics including politics, social issues and economic trends. Dale holds a M.A. in Middle Eastern Studies from the University of Chicago. Contact Dale at dgavlak@mintpressnews.com

Yahya Ababneh is a Jordanian freelance journalist and is currently working on a master’s degree in journalism, He has covered events in Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Libya. His stories have appeared on Amman Net, Saraya News, Gerasa News and elsewhere.

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[Cyber Liberty]

Ah yes. The “Global Test.” Kerry finally admits Bush passed it.

[jeffc]

So, now the liberals were for the UN before they were against it?

[Cyber Liberty]

Why don’t you just post that as a free-standing thread, and spare the rest of the threads? It’s important news, and shouldn’t be buried in other threads as spam.

[spawn44]

Wow. A turncoat saber rattling bottle of ketchup democratic fraud dumping on the UN. Next we will have THE FOREIGNER landing on a aircraft carrier in a F-18

[Yosemitest]

I just did that, and as soon as I posted it, the admin moderator pulled it.

[EQAndyBuzz]

If the UN is as worthless as Kerry so eloquently put it, it is probably time for the US to pull out of the UN and for the UN to be moved to Somalia.

[Cyber Liberty]

I see. That’s too bad. But...somebody’s going to start clicking “Abuse” if you keep posting it on thread after thread. I’m not gonna, but it will happen.

Maybe you could find out why they pulled it when it was a thread. Wrong Forum? Links to bad places? It may be OK as a thread, but it was just in the wrong place. Hopefully, if you ask them nicely, they’ll tell you.

[Yosemitest]

Send all those disgusting Muslim diplomats (along with the rest of the U.N. ) back to the country that God CURSED them with, the burning hot, dry and dead desert.

[TNoldman]

So why doesn’t our military “stand down”?

[Yosemitest]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3060682/posts

[Cyber Liberty]

Hmm. I see they edited it because of an AP photo. You may have gotten burnt by a Mod who didn’t feel like editing it, and just yanked it instead. Doesn’t seem fair but it happens.

[Cyber Liberty]

The Rodeo Clown would be humiliated. All of this is to save face and distract our attention from something else.