Canada Ping!
Posted on 10/13/2013 5:22:15 AM PDT by Loyalist
The article doesn’t mention who is asking for these tests and why
I see what you did there.
Unreal.
What was the Biblical consequence of failing this test?
Is that the problem ???
You got that right. It sends a message to women that it might not be OK after all if you sleep around, despite what the liberals have been saying.
Where is the test for men?
Where is the message for men?
Besides which, a patient's body is the business of the patient and her doctor. Isn't that one of the reasons we oppose Obamacare?
Who here would buy a car without checking the odometer reading first? Same basic idea.
“... the results thereof will serve as the pretext for an honor killing”.
Exactly right. Plus, ask any gynecologist if a virgin can have a broken hymen. The answer is yes. Fall off a bike, ride a horse, fall down some stairs, etc... and it is common.
There is no doubt about who is responsible: http://londonmuslims.blogspot.ca/2009/10/muslim-girls-getting-virginity.html http://voices.yahoo.com/female-virginity-tests-muslim-turkey-varied-perspective-7080.html https://www.facebook.com/WomenForFemen/posts/446513178763590?_fb_noscript=1 http://tribune.com.pk/story/402404/iraqi-women-face-court-ordered-virginity-tests/ http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-21/virginity-test-plan-for-girls-in-indonesia-sparks-outrage/4903692 http://newageislam.com/islam,-women-and-feminism/tunisia-s-topless-protester—escapes-family-after-virginity-tests-/d/11246 http://yoksis.bilkent.edu.tr/doi_getpdf/articles/10.1016-S0277-5395%2896%2900096-9.pdf
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Canada Ping!
If a man insists his bride be a virgin, as antiquated a notion as that is, he can simply tell her that she has to be able to prove it or he will refuse to marry her. Frankly, if I were the woman, I’d tell him to take a long walk on a short pier, but whatever transpires between the two betrothed is their business, and if the bride-to-be agrees, then it is ridiculous — and unethical — of her doctor to refuse to do the test and certification.
I for one, by the beard of the profit, will not pay the bridal price until I see a doctor’s certificate of virginity!
That virginity certificate is the very the least I can get for 12 Mercedes Benz sedans, 16 racing camels, 66 sheep, 12 Luo slaves including Barak Hussein Obama, and a Doc Johnson Rambone.
http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.ca/2010/04/arab-virginity-industry-booming.html
Virgin or Die!
Young Arab women wait in an upmarket medical clinic for an operation that will not only change their lives, but quite possibly save it. Yet the operation is a matter of choice and not necessity. It costs about 2,000 euros (£1,700) and carries very little risk.
The clinic is not in Dubai or Cairo, but in Paris. And the surgery they are waiting for is to restore their virginity.
Whether in Asia or the Arab world, an unknown number of women face an agonising problem having broken a deep taboo. They’ve had sex outside marriage and if found out, risk being ostracised by their communities, or even murdered.
Now more and more of them are undergoing surgery to re-connect their hymens and hide any sign of past sexual activity. They want to ensure that blood is spilled on their wedding night sheets.
The social pressure is so great that some women have even taken their own lives.
Sonia wants to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal. She is a slender young brunette studying at art college in Paris.
Although born in France, Arab culture and traditions are central to Sonia’s life. Life was strict growing up under the watchful eyes of a large traditional Arab family.
Virginity certificates
“I thought of suicide after my first sexual relationship,” she says, “because I couldn’t see any other solution.” But Sonia did find a solution.
She eventually went to the Paris clinic of Dr Marc Abecassis to have surgery to restore her hymen. She says she will never reveal her secret to anyone, especially her husband to be.
“ I believe we as doctors have no right to decide for her or judge her ”
Dr Abecassis
“I consider this is my sex life and I don’t have to tell anyone about it,” she says. It’s men that are obliging her to lie about it, she says.
Dr Abecassis performs a “hymenoplasty” as it’s called, at least two to three times a week. Re-connecting the tissue of the hymen takes about 30 minutes under local anaesthetic.
He says the average age of the patient is about 25, and they come from all social backgrounds. Although the surgery is performed in clinics around the world, Dr Abecassis is one of the few Arab surgeons who talks openly about it. Some of the women come to him because they need virginity certificates in order to marry.
“She can be in danger because sometimes it’s a matter of traditions and family,” says Dr Abecassis. “I believe we as doctors have no right to decide for her or judge her.”
With Chinese manufacturers leading the way, there are now non-surgical options on the market as well. One website sells artificial hymens for just £20 (23 euros). The Chinese hymen is made of elastic and filled with fake blood. Once inserted in the vagina, the woman can simulate virginity, the company claims.
‘Caught out’
But this was not an option for Nada. As a young girl growing up in the Lebanese countryside she fell in love and lost her virginity. “I was scared my family would find out especially since they didn’t approve of my relationship,” she says. “I was terrified they might kill me.”
After seven years in the relationship, her lover’s family wanted him to marry someone else. Nada attempted suicide. “I got a bottle of Panadol and a bottle of household chemicals,” she says. “I drank them and said, ‘That’s it’.”
“ Even if society accepts such a thing, I would still refuse to marry her ”
Noor
Nada is now 40, and found out about surgical hymen restoration just six years ago. She married and had two children. Her wedding night was a stressful ordeal. “I didn’t sleep that night. I was crying,” she says. “I was very scared but he didn’t suspect anything.”
It’s a secret that Nada - which is not her real name - will carry to her grave. “I am ready to hide it until death,” she says. “Only God will know about it.”
But it’s not only the older generation that subscribes to traditional views about sex before marriage, when it comes to choosing a wife.
Noor is a trendy professional who works in Damascus. He’s fairly representative of young Syrian men in a secular society. But although Noor says he believes in equality for women, underneath the liberal facade lies a deep-rooted conservatism.
“I know girls who went through this restoration and they were caught out on their wedding night by their husbands,” he says. “They realised they weren’t virgins. Even if society accepts such a thing, I would still refuse to marry her.”
Muslim clerics are quick to point out that the virginity issue is not about religion. “We should remember that when people wait for the virgin’s blood to be spilled on the sheet, these are all cultural traditions,” says Syrian cleric, Sheikh Mohamad Habash. “This is not related to Shariah law.”
Christian communities in the Middle East are often just as firm in their belief that women should be virgins when they marry.
Arab writer and social commentator, Sana Al Khayat believes the whole issue has much to with the notion of “control”.
“If she’s a virgin, she doesn’t have any way of comparing [her husband to other men]. If she’s been with other men, then she has experience. Having experience makes women stronger.”
It may be the 21st Century but the issue of virginity in Arab culture can still be a matter of life and death, especially for women like Sonia and Nada.
And while hymen repair may be a quick fix, it can’t reconcile centuries of ingrained tradition with the attitudes of modern society.
Stoning people to death in public is biblical also.
Its amazing to me the number of Christians that cant/dont decipher between Old and New Covenant.
Oh please. There are dozens of intimate sexual activities a woman can engage in while remaining “intact.” “Intact” does not automatically mean pure and innocent. Even in America, some girls will engage in anything BUT vaginal intercourse so they are “virgins” with intact hymens on their wedding night. A real re-definition of “virginity.”
Where is the message for men?
Men don't need it, because men don't get pregnant.
Well, you did fail the test of being a top candidate for a bride, and you knew it.
She eventually went to the Paris clinic of Dr Marc Abecassis to have surgery to restore her hymen. She says she will never reveal her secret to anyone, especially her husband to be.
So she's a liar. Further confirming that she is a poor candidate for someone's wife.
Such a woman has demonstrated that she cannot control her implulses, and when she loses control, she covers up her inferiority by lying about it. So when she feels like it, she'll cheat on her husband, make up some excuse as to why it was OK to cheat, then lie to her husband about it.
What does pregnancy have to do with it?
If pre-marital sex is wrong, it is wrong.
And by the way, if a man doesn’t participate, there is no pregnancy.
As usual, there is one standard of personal responsibility for some and a different one for others. Very conservative.
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