Posted on 11/11/2013 12:38:11 PM PST by Carry_Okie
I just don’t get why Republicans, even conservatives, can’t seem to get their sound-bites wrapped around ZeroCare.
The reason HHS keeps jacking "standards" is to raise the price of insurance such that people choose to pay the penalty and fund their own care. If they have a problem, they'll just have to rely upon Medicaid. It’s a twofer: a tax increase on the middle class with Medicaid becoming the default single-payer system. Middle class Americans will get the same "coverage" (or worse) than illegal aliens. It's equality and social justice for all you little people all in one swell foop!
Think of it: Medicaid is already in place as administered by the States as a default single-payer system. All we're talking about then is scaling an existing system. Effectively, the State exchanges will then exist only to put the screws to what is left of the private insurance market. Said insurers that fell for this gambit are bigger suckers than even their major stockholders fear.
Consider that scenario at the next level: Once most everybody goes on to Medicaid, then FedGov can stipulate the services States must provide to get Federal funding (just as they do with highway funding now). And what do you know but those will be services Democrats demand! Mental health (because they don't go to church), AIDS treatment and abortions (ditto), transgender surgery and infertility treatment (Ibid), etc. On the other hand, services Republicans demand will be curtailed; they’ll pull the sheet over your head when you’re done. The result? Population reduction of those restive white guys who stand in the way of neo-feudal fascism.
It's easy to do. The States will cry foul, but the big foundations of said truly rich will bankroll NGO lawsuits in Federal court, thus forcing the States into compliance. At that point, the bureaucracy in Washington has taken over State government, and we have then lost ALL representation at the State and local level. Federalism will then be totally dead.
This is what needs to be explained to our representatives, that this is plainly how ZeroCare was ALWAYS meant to work. The longer the left stalls for time, the more people lose their coverage, the more effective it will be against the States. Just watch.
Well, you have to admire their ability to get what they want with no challenge.
What I don’t admire is Republican and conservative INABILITY to condense what is happening into a clear picture demonstrating mal-intent.
Of course, they will say you have to support them, no matter how incompetent or treacherous they are.
What I don't understand is how anybody with serious money thinks that wiping out the American middle class will benefit them, other than a zero-sum world of 'there's more left for me.' Perhaps that's all there is to it, but it demonstrates a serious lack of imagination, and an even more serious lack of ecological comprehension.
The reason the Republican Establishment isn’t effectively voicing opposition to Obamacare is that they aren’t really opposed to it. Oh, they’d like to make a few changes so that they can siphon off a bit more of the gravy for themselves, and of course they’ll come up with some tough conservative talk around election time.
There is a lot more actual conservatives could do to get their message out. I’d suggest running commercials depicting people getting their taxes done in 2015 and having to provide proof of health insurance or pay fines. I think a lot of people have not given any thought to the notion of the IRS being in charge of everyone’s health care.
I was specifically thinking the TEA Party people, including Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, or Mike Lee. I've heard nothing so succinct and comprehensive from any of them.
nice post
i think you are right
You make good points all. But you are missing the biggest issue. The gubmint must keep those employer based fines low at first. Once the employer mandate kicks in, large companies and even midsized companies will start opting to put out their own employees, as the savings will be irresistible. Once some starts doing this, competition will drive others. They already got the small business crowd. It will only be 3 to 5 years until employee based health coverage will be a thing of the past. BUT....GET THIS....
In 3 to 5 years, once most or all of the employee benefits have been taken away, they can start tinkering with that “Fine” that used to be only $2,500 per employee. By then no insurance company in their right mind would want to start negotiating new deals with companies that decide in the future to start providing health insurance in group coverages.
The gubmint has THE ENTIRE NATION, from the individual to the small business to Microsoft and all the giants by the balls with Obamacare. Their only recourse will be to outsource and get below 50 full time employees or reduce all workers to 29 hours.
But wait! The gubmint will “fix” obamacare so it doesn’t hurt businesses so bad...
We the people have become to stupid to govern ourselves through representative elections and our elected rulers now know it. Just ask them.
That’s one thing they won’t do
is ascribe mal-intent on the democRats,
even though the ‘rats do this all the time.
The repubs, for some reason, allow the theme of the well meaning, caring left to remain unchallenged.
There is another aspect. By continueing to raise prices on the federal system and thus kicking more people onto the state system which does not permit one to own property and requires repayment, a neverending supply of assets become available to the healthcare/government industrial complex.
Well, sir, it's "comprehensive". You don't need to understand it. Trust us.
We really need an amendment to the constitution that limits all bills to be voted on to no more than 100 pages (font, type, margins, etc.) including all "Rules" and administrative nuances and details. "Comprehensive" reform and laws need to be outlawed. Border fence, taxes, you name it. Everything ever deemed comprehensive has been a disastrous power grab.
That's the same issue as applied to a different demographic of "persons" supposedly granted "equal protection" under the law (AKA ZeroCare isn't it and why it hasn't been challenged on 14 Amendment grounds totally escapes me). Hence, the delay induced by the employer mandate is simply a cop-out. The deal will end up being the same.
The Agenda 21 aspect of this is pretty far down the road. I give it ten years. What I'm talking about is happening now through the next 18-24 months.
The reason is fear of the media. They would have to prove said mal-intent, with standards of evidence subject to redefinition of every term.
Spot on. The reason our Ruler delayed the employer mandate is exactly because they would have started dropping coverage for their workers. If you think a couple million folks losing their individually purchased plans was a big deal, you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until 50 million people are losing their insurance that "they could keep if they liked it."
Someone got to Obammy and told him what a disaster this is going to be (Likely the insurance companies). Imagine what happens when all these companies start dumping their employees and the exchanges and website aren't working and the insurance companies can't help people as fast as they need to. You want a crisis, you got one. I expect the individual mandate will be delayed and the employer mandate will be pushed out another couple of years, at least past 2016. They really need to cripple the industry as much as possible before it's implemented so there are no other options. Then the government will have to take it over. OOPS!
2017 NYT Headline Predictions: "How the GOP Ruined Health Insurance. FED Forced to Take Over."
You are exactly right. I’ve been saying for months that zerocare is nothing but the first step in implementing single payer-universal coverage tyranny. Medicaide is already there and waiting.
I hope you now understand why I consider these things a waste of time.
The state taking assets for healthcare provided is happening now guy.
So is people mortgaging their homes to pay medical bills. Yet the state is not taking assets to pay for OTHER people's medical bills beyond normal taxes due.
So I don't see the analogy compared to what was being floated in the comment to which I replied. Socializing medicine represents a step-discontinuity in that tax commitment, one that will take some time to come due.
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