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1 posted on 11/13/2013 12:50:11 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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Landrieu, Feinstein, Hagan and all the other so-called "progressive" regressives who propose a "fix" in order to save political "seats" simply don't understand the real problem though:

The problem is that the "fix" just involves more coercive intrusion on the rights of individuals, on intrusion into and distortion of the insurance marketplace, on the future quality and proliferation of health care providers, and the damaging impact that their own regressive and arrogant assumptions is having on real individual American citizens and their families.

Just who do the Clintons, the Obamas, the Landrieus, the Feinsteins and all "progressives"--no matter how good they believe their intentions are--believe they are? That great intellectual freedom fighter, Author of the Declaration of Independence, and former President may have, inadvertently, identified them in the following quotation:

"The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately." —Thomas Jefferson

One other thought: lest the Democrats who laid this oppressive legislation on the nation by their votes now claim that they did it to "help" us and it is just "not working" as they intended, let them consider the words of C. S. Lewis about "moral busybodies" who use the coercive power of government to "do" their good:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C. S. Lewis

2 posted on 11/13/2013 12:51:58 PM PST by loveliberty2
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We're Democrats and we're very passionate, especially when it comes to the issue of the Affordable Care Act,” Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.) said

Yeah, passionate about a law you never read & voted for any way. GFY!

3 posted on 11/13/2013 12:52:07 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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...rather than celebrating the successes of the law they helped to pass...

Celebration of what? Million reduced to part-time work? Millions more thrown out of a job? Millions paying skyrocketing health care costs, if they can get it?

Boy, these Marxists never change. I'm certain Pol Pot supporters were looking at the bright side too!

4 posted on 11/13/2013 12:53:11 PM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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First of all, this is just another example of magical thinking by the Dems. They want to make all of this just “unhappen” because they’re so stupid they honestly think that they can just wave their magic wand and things will go back to being as they were.

Don’t they realize that the insurance companies have entered into new agreements with providers, that an entirely new structure has been set up, and that they can’t just magically back-track? But since most Dem legislators (or legislators in general) have absolutely no business or professional experience, they think all that is necessary is for the government to give a few more orders and it will all be restored.


5 posted on 11/13/2013 12:54:47 PM PST by livius
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All you nervous Dem politicians, you’re Marxists now. Enjoy the consequences of your liberty-damning votes.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 12:56:31 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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Given that LIBs are all insane, how can they be "about to go crazy"? Liberalism IS a mental illness.
9 posted on 11/13/2013 12:57:29 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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If the poor Democrats are screwed by this law, they screwed themselves.

F ‘em all. the long the short and the tall, male and female alike.


10 posted on 11/13/2013 12:57:42 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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13 posted on 11/13/2013 12:59:14 PM PST by DannyTN
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“They heard our caucus,” Pascrell said. “I wouldn't say [it was] heated, but very specific. In this business, you keep your word or get out.”

Lol, best laugh of the day.

14 posted on 11/13/2013 12:59:19 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Democrats being driven crazy by Obamacare failures?

Gives social justice a new meaning. Hoo. Ray.


15 posted on 11/13/2013 1:01:16 PM PST by Toucan Dance
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Upton is a sucker.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 1:02:08 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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Then they shouldn’t have voted for this job-killing freedom-robbing abortion! And they can all go to hell AFAIC.


19 posted on 11/13/2013 1:03:30 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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Democrats said they’re worried about "being dragged into this non-stop cycle" of bad news about the ObamaCare rollout, rather than celebrating the successes of the law they helped to pass, a Democratic aide said.

Are not these the same people who blindly passed the Affordable Care Act, without reading the thousands of pages, without vetting the law, without hearing from the affected population?

Democrats are a part of the roll-out. They just want to somehow placate the people and keep them from complaining until after the next election cycle. They are screaming for that kind of action rather than actually looking into and repealing this unfair and unworkable law, and replacing it with something that makes sense.

20 posted on 11/13/2013 1:03:47 PM PST by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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"...dragged into this non-stop cycle" of bad news ..."

Ha. Ha. Ha. You were warned. Back when the House Blue Dogs were doing their tortured soul act about whether to vote "no" on ObamaCare this was posted at FR:



That day has arrived.

21 posted on 11/13/2013 1:03:53 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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Attention Capitol police....House Dems about to 'go crazy'....bring tie wraps and 5150 forms.....and you would also be advised to rent some additional holding pens for those afflicted.
22 posted on 11/13/2013 1:04:39 PM PST by spokeshave (Obamacare is planned, just like the planned famine by the Russians to eliminate the Ukrainians.)
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23 posted on 11/13/2013 1:06:53 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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Well then, they ought to get ‘crazy checks’ from the government........assuming they can sign up on the government’s website!............................


25 posted on 11/13/2013 1:07:21 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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Hey Repubs... if you try to help fix it, you'll share the blame for its' failure.

Sit on your hands and let the fool Democrats' incompetence shine... They are destroying themselves with this, do NOT get in their way.

26 posted on 11/13/2013 1:07:42 PM PST by Kenton
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“They heard our caucus,” Pascrell said. “I wouldn’t say [it was] heated, but very specific. In this business, you keep your word or get out.”

Not Heated? I vote for GET OUT!


28 posted on 11/13/2013 1:08:41 PM PST by vette6387
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It is the culture of the Dem party to aschew economics, believe in the bottomless wealth of the rich, and know with certainty that insurance companies, big oil, and corporations are evil and the true sources of most citizens’ problems.

However, these are fantastical theories unrelated to the real world.

In the real world, programs cost everyone real money. Actions have costs and are not entirely benefit. Once you do something you think is good, you must actually carry it out and do the hard work of both paying for it and making it succeed. These Democrat politicians simply wanted to do something for pure ideological reasons and really believed it would be a glorious success that showered acclaim on each of them while causing the insurance companies to wither into smoky grease spots and the wealthy to shrug while admitting they are greedy and shelling out a bit of money to help all the little people. The Dems are hopelessly ignorant of economics and complex systems.

And, if they could, they would now write and pass a bill that stated, simple, “It is fixed”. Such a bill would match the level of understanding they have of this whole mess and make them feel good again.


29 posted on 11/13/2013 1:11:08 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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