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Industry group continues preemptive surrender tradition for ‘undetectable guns'
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 26 November, 2013 | David Codrea

Posted on 11/26/2013 12:37:32 PM PST by marktwain

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the firearms industry’s trade association, has written letters to Congress urging both houses to reauthorize the Undetectable Firearms Act before it expires on Dec. 9, Desert Eagles Technologies reported Saturday.

While a search for a press release and copies of the letters on the NSSF website did not locate the actual letters [UPDATE: NSSF letter link forwarded courtesy of John Richardson], the report is consistent with a “fast facts sheet” on “‘3D printing’ of firearms” previously issued by the group in which it asserted “The current Undetectable Firearms Act should be reauthorized.”

“NSSF is concerned that new proposals that go well beyond current law could hamper federally licensed firearms manufacturers from developing prototypes using advanced or emerging technologies,” the Desert Eagles Technologies report explains.

In other words, because something “worse” might be passed, it’s best to cede the point now. This presupposes Congress will dare pass something, and this just gave them a green light. It also fits in with NSSF’s past assumptions and adds weight to St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner Kurt Hofmann’s concerns over the National Rifle Association “not opposing” renewal. Unfortunately, NRA’s attempt at straddling the issue merely bolsters the perception of a shared belief with NSSF that “the Second Amendment protects only the right to keep and bear commercially produced arms,” which, as Hofmann notes, gives ammunition to charges they are a “shill for the gun industry.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nssf; undetectable
Hard to believe that the leaders are so meek. They should at least *try* to trade something for something. There are so many popular things we could attempt to get for this: National reciprocity, carry on Corp of Engineer land, the ability to buy handguns across state lines, legalization of short barrelled rifles the same as pistols. Crazy not to ask for something.

It is hard to believe that they will be any less demonized because they threw this one to the wolves.

1 posted on 11/26/2013 12:37:32 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Given that this is an INDUSTRY group.

Trying to keep home made firearms (competition) illegal makes sense for them.


2 posted on 11/26/2013 12:51:10 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: marktwain

I never understood the purpose of the “undetectable” firearms law anyway. The bullets are still detectable.


3 posted on 11/26/2013 12:58:05 PM PST by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: marktwain

Quid pro nil.


4 posted on 11/26/2013 12:59:02 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: marktwain

This is not a question of them being meek or really about ‘undetectable’ guns. It’s a disguised attempt to get restrictions on 3d print-at-home guns in advance of them becoming practical and cheap. “We can’t have you printing your own. Who would buy ours?”


5 posted on 11/26/2013 1:08:17 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: marktwain

I’d like a machine to detect Harry Reid’s undetectable ethics or Mitch’s undectable balls.


6 posted on 11/26/2013 1:12:58 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: marktwain

Another fine example of why we are almost always losing ground.


7 posted on 11/26/2013 1:19:28 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SolidRedState
I never understood the purpose of the “undetectable” firearms law anyway. The bullets are still detectable.

I always understood undetectable to be mean not detectable by most metal detectors which are magnetometers I believe. Tempered steel is used in most guns due to it being the cheapest material with the required properties. I do not know the magnetic properties of most ammo, but believe if you were willing to spend enough money you could build a gun that was both reliable and did not interact with a magnetic field.

8 posted on 11/26/2013 1:21:11 PM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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I’ve read a few articles which indicated the law is based upon a falsehood. The only way the guns in question aren’t detectable is by setting the magnetometer at its least sensitive. A mode in which they are never used in the areas of concern.

None of which matters because its really not that hard to get a firearm in someplace. They make it aboard aircraft on a regular basis for example.


9 posted on 11/26/2013 1:25:45 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TurboZamboni

>> Mitch’s undectable balls.

I thought I saw a pair of balls on Harry’s face, about where his chin would be (if he had one).

But then I realized they belonged to Barry O.

They were gone after he finished his lunch.


10 posted on 11/26/2013 1:47:19 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Make that Mitch’s face. Oops.


11 posted on 11/26/2013 1:47:54 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: marktwain

New invention coming soon-

Bullets that fire themselves upon voice command-

recognizes only user`s voice

no rifled gun required.

high accuracy

Just wear `em like a wrist bracelet or wristwatch or necklace or belt

Can be disguised as heavy metal jewelry

can be fired in salvos up to 40 per second

22 model first

not manufactured in Australia

patent not pending yet


12 posted on 11/26/2013 2:11:18 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: marktwain

New invention coming soon-

Bullets that fire themselves upon voice command-

recognizes only user`s voice

no rifled gun required.

high accuracy

Just wear `em like a wrist bracelet or wristwatch or necklace or belt

Can be disguised as heavy metal jewelry

can be fired in salvos up to 40 per second

22 model first

not manufactured in Australia

patent not pending yet


13 posted on 11/26/2013 2:11:19 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: marktwain

I’m a little torn on this one. As I recall, the “Undetectable Firearms Act” bans things that don’t exist. It’s kinda like passing a law that says it’s illegal to braid your unicorn’s mane on Tuesdays. On the one hand, I like jamming it to the antis any chance we get. However, this isn’t necessarily something to spend political capital on. The NSSF should accept an easy victory if there’s one to be had here rather than folding their tents and leaving before the fight’s even started.


14 posted on 11/27/2013 12:53:50 AM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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