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To: nickcarraway

I think that is probably excessive. My works for a hospital. They don’t cover this stuff up. The reporting and investigation is far beyond what any police department would do.

I can appreciate them wanting to wait until after Christmas. But autonomous nervous reactions (to touch, sound,etc) are not signs of life. This little girl is not going to wake up.

I pray for the family and the surgeons and the staff. They are not cold machines. They feel these accidental deaths more than you can imagine—and not just because of the legal impact.


26 posted on 12/22/2013 5:10:19 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Vermont Lt

there are cases of people coming back that have had no recorded brain function.

we just learned recently that people can appear to be out under gas, yet they really are conscious ut can’t move, and they feel pain of the operation they’re having done.

don’t say it can’t occur. it has occurred.


40 posted on 12/22/2013 5:36:50 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Reactions to sound and touch are not functions of the autonomic nervous system, which controls involuntary functions of the body.

Even involuntary reflexes, such as the pupils constricting to light, disprove brain death. A reaction to sound or touch definitely disproves brain death.

It is possible that the family is imagining these responses, but it is also possible that they are occurring and that the girl is not “brain dead.”

There have been at least three cases in the past few years of people having been declared brain dead, and waking up, including one young man who was soon to be prepared for organ donation, when his cousin, a nurse, discovered that he reacted to a touch on his foot. He made a complete recovery. A middle-aged woman also made a good recovery. These instances are a tiny fraction of “brain death” cases but they do show that the criteria are not infallible.


42 posted on 12/22/2013 5:46:49 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Vermont Lt
They don’t cover this stuff up.

You are extremely naive. In my limited experience, I've seen it happen with my own eyes. I know of two doctors who had hospital privileges taken away when they wouldn't rubber stamp the cover up of gross malpractice. With ACA upon us your attitude is extremely dangerous. It's amazing how much Obama has taken away the fundamental common sense of people like you.

85 posted on 12/23/2013 1:29:10 AM PST by nickcarraway
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