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Too late, professor. Way too late!
1 posted on 02/03/2014 4:21:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To muslims:

Women and girls = property.

NOW does not even make a peep.


2 posted on 02/03/2014 4:24:47 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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He should have started this debate thirty years ago. Conservatives saw this one coming and the lefties ignored the potential problems so they could get everything the gays wanted. You’re right, they’re way too late.


3 posted on 02/03/2014 4:26:54 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Polygamy will not work in an urban environment unless the parties involved are very rich.

Polygamy works in a farming environment where more hands mean more production.

4 posted on 02/03/2014 4:30:03 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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And polygamy has an impact on the wider society, on the gender balance and gendered behaviors we are prepared to deal with.

Gender based abortion has the same disproportionate effect on gender balance. So far I hear crickets from feminists.

5 posted on 02/03/2014 4:30:23 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have been friends with three or four homosexual men over the years. Everyone of them was sexually abused (recruited) as a child.

How does that not count as someone getting hurt?


7 posted on 02/03/2014 4:37:57 PM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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"Unlike gay rights where consenting relationships don’t harm others, polygamy poses serious issues."

Basic false assumption right there. Gays' consenting adult relationships do harm others, because when they acquire children (whether by adoption or artificial reproduction technologies) their children are intentionally, and generally permanently deprived of either a father or a mother.

They are literally, deliberately generating broken families.

9 posted on 02/03/2014 4:45:59 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("St Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. . . against the wickedness and snares of the devil.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is an example of someone on a slippery slope who has decided to yell.. “Wwwwwheeee!!!!!” as they continue to slide.


11 posted on 02/03/2014 4:51:01 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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“The law is what I say it is.” Lewis Carroll, Through The Looking Glass.

Seriously tho, how consenting adults choose to order their lives is nine of the Governments business. Once conservatives ceded that power to Government they lost the war.


13 posted on 02/03/2014 4:57:03 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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“Missing from that argument is any mention of whether anyone is hurt and how.”

The contribution of homosexuality to pedophilia didn’t seem to matter in the discussion of homosexuality being normalized by allowing homosexual perverts to marry each other.

The argument promoting gay marriage centered around the contrived notion that homosexuals are born that way. Allowing that, which the courts unwisely did, how can polygamy be denied? A pretty strong case can be made that men and women are polygamous by nature, and a faithful marriage to one partner is an extra natural union. That’s why people have so many sexual partners before marriage, after marriage, and why there are so many people engaged in the practice of serial marriages. By any other name, polygamy is polygamy, and there is no such thing as human relationships that don’t present the risk of someone being hurt.

Besides, homosexual marriage is not based on reason, but emotion and cultural corruption. As our culture is further corrupted by pop culture and leftist anti culture, sin becomes acceptable and excused. It becomes arbitrary as opposed to absolute, and what happened with gay marriage will happen when our society reaches a state of corruption that excuses polygamy, pedophilia, and bestiality.


16 posted on 02/03/2014 5:25:03 PM PST by pallis
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oh, don’t stop now! I was planning on having 300+ deductions on me tax return when polygamy and bestiality were legalized. me and my gold fish, Goldie, are very close. the fact that I’d pay no taxes ever has nothing to do with it


19 posted on 02/03/2014 5:34:37 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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What the authoritarian Left has always been about is control. If the rate of change is too fast or chaotic, it could lead to anarchy, and that would mean a loss of control of the process. Loss of control could lead to a reversal, which could lead to a well deserved reprisal against the Left.
But the Left has opened Pandora’s box, they have lit the fuse, and the outcome will be unpredictable. The Leftists want a slow glide path to tyranny; the worst possible outcome. They will attempt to appeal to conservatives and try to enlist them in opposing chaos. Many conservatives will fall for the bait and play the role as useful idiots; the Left will expect conservatives to cover their flank. As long as “progress” is slow and imperceptible, the people will sleep.
It’s too late now. The Left is the enemy and there is no place for negotiation. Let them choke on their vomit.


21 posted on 02/03/2014 6:00:53 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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God invented marriage, not man. God designated marriage, not as a contractual agreement, but as a covenant.
Governments may be able to regulate contracts, but a covenant is based on the laws of God and not man. Thus
marriage is an institution outside of the bounds of government.

It is time to get government out of the marriage business and to return it to the private sphere. The
problem for me today is that people who want to call themselves “married” against God’s law (as I read it)
are willing to use the State to force me to recognize that marriage, which I cannot do. The want to have the
State’s public education system indoctrinate my children that homosexual marriage is “normal”. They want to
force me to subsidize the homosexual marriage in the tax code just like the godly marriage is subsidized, and
they will use state agencies to punish me for “discrimination” if I decline to accept their status in any
way.

If the State must force me to acknowledge its power to declare two men to be “married”, then I must support
efforts to remove that power from the State. If people who don’t want God defining their personal morality
demand a separation of church and State then let us also have separation of marriage and State as well. If
those people don’t want any displays of the Ten Commandments in government buildings, they cannot hide behind
the Commandments that protect marriage when it comes to “marriage” that God cannot and will not sanction.


22 posted on 02/03/2014 6:02:26 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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Can’t believe the light bulb is just coming on now. Especially when Scalia said this would happen in Lawrence v. Texas.

People wanted homosexual unions so badly they didn’t care what else might happen. Well, you will have the legalization of polygamy and incest, for a start. Then it’s on to pedophilia as what is considered “consenting” gets changed.


24 posted on 02/03/2014 6:34:44 PM PST by kaehurowing
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None of us is entitled to remake the world in ways that hurt others just so that we can have whatever we want, whether the issue is corporate irresponsibility, treatment of children or polygamy.

If only it were still so, Professor. If only.

26 posted on 02/03/2014 6:36:50 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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What a bad thinker. That’s typical for liberals. Think what the Jay and Ruth Caplan Undistinguished Professor of Law must be like.


28 posted on 02/03/2014 8:07:02 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Is it possible we have finally reached the issue that will cause women to reflect on whether it is good for them as women and answer NO?

They said it was OK when they were allowed to kill their own children.
They said it was OK for the President to take advantage of a young intern.
They said Mohammedan gender-apartheid was OK.
They said prostitution was OK as long as the “sex worker” was treated with fairness and respect. (She works HARD for the money.)

Now they are faced with something the hippie women in the sixties came back from the communes to tell us: When you’re off in the woods, the women become enslaved by the men and domestic life reverts to the ancient traditions without the civilized state to help them, and they were having none of it. They came running back to the city as if the wolves were after them.

Those too young to have witnessed this are willing to try it again.


30 posted on 02/04/2014 1:02:11 AM PST by firebrand
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But there has been considerable discussion of social and family pressures pushing women into polygamous relationships, including young women below the age of consent. Gay and lesbian relationships don’t have that problem – if anything, social pressure is toward straight relationships. But in isolated polygamous communities, elders have pushed young women into such relationships and closed off alternatives.

Gay and lesbian relationships DO have that problem. How can anyone doubt that gay/lesbian parents of adopted/surrogate children will encourage their children to experiment with deviant sexual behavior? Homosexual communities routinely celebrate & encourage deviant behavior in children below the age of consent. Parents are clearly the greatest influence on a child.

There is no difference in the coercive influence of a polygamist community & a homosexual community or family. If anything, the homosexual community is extreme in its public coercion, attacking anyone who denounces it.

The only argument left to the author is the polygamist are presently “isolated”, whereas the homosexual community is in full bloom. Yet, it wasn't so long ago when homosexuality was firmly in the closet, out of sight, out of mind. So, if isolation is a measure of legitimacy, then the 1-2% of queers in the USA are still isolated, therefore illegitimate.

The author tries to vilify one perversion while accepting another similar perversion. Sorry Bub, but you made this slippery slope, so slide on down to Hell. There is no moral difference between 2 men, 2 women, 1 man & 3 women, or 2 men, 3 women & a pony - they are ALL immoral relationships. If you accept one, you must accept them all - it's all relative, don't ya know.

31 posted on 02/04/2014 6:42:38 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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They opened the barn door, the cows got out and they are worried about not having enough milk for their cereal, screw them!!!


32 posted on 02/04/2014 12:30:26 PM PST by GraceG
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