[A_perfect_lady]

I suspect those twists were made up after he died. No one knows what he really said to anyone. All we can gather is that he probably did really exist, and if the records are accurate, he traveled about Israel and spoke to the Jewish people on getting along with one another and returning to the covenant. He was thought to be the messiah of the Old Testament (whose job was indeed to create the kingdom of Israel) and he denied it, but there had to be a reason people assumed it, even down to the soldiers who crucified him.

The most logical conclusion is that he was indeed one of the many men who thought he was capable of united those 12 tribes. Like all the others, he failed. UNLIKE the others, however, he had well-educated followers whose stories were picked up years later by the emperor Constantine... and the rest is history.

[CatherineofAragon]

"I suspect those twists were made up after he died. No one knows what he really said to anyone."

Since He went back up to sit at the right hand of the Father, people have tried to disprove He was God in the flesh. You're just another in a long, long line, and you, like all those others, will never be able to do it.

He is risen!

[what's up]

the messiah of the Old Testament (whose job was indeed to create the kingdom of Israel) and he denied it,

No, He did not deny it.

The most logical conclusion is that he was indeed one of the many men who thought he was capable of united those 12 tribes

No, that is not logical. The vast majority of Scriptures point to Jesus as being the Savior for the world. You need to read the Bible.

[MarDav]

“The most logical conclusion...”
This is where you get into trouble...leaning on your own understanding, I mean.

[Elsie]

The most logical conclusion is that he was indeed one of the many men who thought he was capable of united those 12 tribes.

Oh?

10 of them had disappeared before Jesus of Nazareth was born.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes

[Elsie]

UNLIKE the others, however, he had well-educated followers whose stories were picked up years later by the emperor Constantine... and the rest is history.

I'm sure that the FISHERMEN would be assumed at your statement...

[Elsie]

...that the FISHERMEN would be assumed at your statement...

And AMUSED at my spelling, as well!