Posted on 05/13/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by AU72
Ukrainian Nazis have also killed a lot of people.
Not as many as Russian Communists, not even close.
Its also odd to see “conservatives” suddenly in in agreement with Obama, Kerry, McCain, Ashton, the EU bankers, Soros, the MSM, and the Nazi elements of Ukraine.
They only fault Obama for one thing, not doing more for the Kiev putsch, sometimes even advocating US forces directly engaging the Russians.
Yeah, only a couple hundred thousand Poles.
Riiiiight. Because when you’re inside the political circle, you publish the conspiracies you wish would unfold in the public press, as opposed to whisper them to the key officials needed to make it happen (/sarcasm).
Of course, the author excluded the part where Dugin called for the close cooperation of Turkish Islamofascists to support Russia’s move into Odessa. See, Putin is part of an alliance between the Russian Orthodox Church, family-run farmers, anti-Communists and native Russian industrialists. Dugin’s faction is composed of neo-Stalinists, an insufficiently small handful of oligarchs which have been broken up by Putin, Islamofascists, Chi-com wanna-bes and atheist extremists. Yeah, you’re free to believe Putin’s Christianity is bulls**t; the point is constituencies, not seeing deep into his soul. And Dugin and Putin have fundamentally opposed constituencies.
If you want a conspiracy that says Dugin and Putin are close, then the more reasonable conspiracy is not that Putin is secretly an admirer of Dugin, but rather that Putin has set Dugin up as an ineffective leader of communist malcontents, much like the way it seems that Boehner is a closet socialist pretending to be an ineffective leader of conservatives.
The Putinistas are liars who want to paint anyone who doesn't have their lips on Putin's butt as somehow being "Pro-Obama." We can easily oppose Obama and not embrace Russian Fascism/Communism, which really these days are hard to tell apart. Putin has successfully united the fascists and new right movements across Europe with the far left communists of his country.
Actually, its very close. Its so many that you are arguing 6 million vs 7 million. Both were nightmares and neither deserves your sick kudos. But lets say the USSR killed more in the 30s. The Uke Nazis killed more in the 40s.
But either way, no Ukrainian Nazi deserves to be seen as a fine alternative to modern Russian life.
Weird to see actual Nazi apologetics. Oh well, its progress. A few weeks ago you’d refuse to even acknowledge that Uke Nazis even existed.
It’s entirely true that Soviet Communists killed far more people than Ukrainian Nazis. But lets compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges, shall we? If we are to lump Georgian Stalin and Ukrainian Brezhnev in with the Soviet Communists, as one must, then compare All Soviet Communists with ALL Nazis, not just the Ukrainian Nazi wanna-bes. Here we find the death toll very similar.
But let’s talk recent history? Putin disavows the communists far more sternly and aggressively than Obama or even BUSH for that matter. His every address deconstructs the ideology of statism, not merely the violent excesses of historic individuals. Conversely, the Svoboda party still worships the Banderites.
Not odd at all, however, to see logical fallacies on FR.
They did a half a million in Belzec alone. And that doesn’t even scratch the surface of the Ukrainian SS formations and work in other death camps.
No one should admire Soviets, but that doesn’t make people they fought against any better. Not one bit.
What are your estimated numbers? Let's hear them.
Putin does indeed support communist movements across the world and, as well, the Neo-Nazi right of Europe. This is not a conspiracy theory. You can look who shows up on state run media or ask Hugo Chavez or FARC how they feel about Russia's aid. Same thing with Iran, which still receives Russia's political defense and nuclear support.
This idea of Putin being a radical anti-communist is a new one, though the idea that he is a "Christian" is an old one. I'll add that the Russian Orthodox church has a patriarch who is a known KGB agent, and all the contenders for the position were also known KGB agents. Currently, in Russia, they are training Russian-speaking Imams to send to different parts of the middle east, presumably to do to the Muslims what they did with Christianity with the KGB's invention of Liberation theology.
It’s odd to see conservatives take sides with either side.
I think Russia has fomented chaos for precisely because they wanted that territory.
There were no millions of people murdered by Ukrainian Nazis in WWII, unless you want to make Hitler Ukrainian, though a lot of them did die. There were also lots of Ukrainians in the Red army, killing lots of Nazis too. Trying to paint modern Ukraine as a Nazi state, however, and pinning on them the crimes of WWII, is just pure stupidity.
Nope, not possible. Because you taught us that thinking that the Kiev Nazis were illegitimate putschsters meant we were only Putin butt kissers. So the same goes for you, you support the Kiev buddies of Obama, so you are clearly an Obama/Kerry/EU/McCain supporter.
And also probably still kinda mad about Putin not letting the homos take over still.
Just using your logic.
You might check the record there. Nothing happened in Ukraine till Putin stopped Obama from helping Al Qeida in Syria. Then Nuland and Obama dumped 5 billion onto the heads of Ukrainian opposition groups.
We started this nightmare for those people.
The Galican SS division disagrees with you. So does Bandera.
Is someone trying to say they weren't MURDERED?
HF
The nightmare really started when it became a Stalinist country, hopefully they can fix that since dumping their tyrant
Yes, the Kiev Nazi party is. (and Obamas astroturfers on FR)
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