Posted on 11/09/2014 12:45:04 AM PST by Enlightened1
Holder responds by saying that they needed to be very careful. He goes on to criticize Issa, and calls his investigation a purely political move. In the process however, he basically admits that the operation at the center of the investigation led to the death of thousands of Mexican civilians.
“Ok. We have to be careful. His decision has to truly be his. If he testifies so be it.” “Issa and his idiot cronies never gave a damn about this when all that was happening was that thousands of Mexicans were being killed with guns from our country. All they want to do- in reality- is cripple ATF and suck up to the gun lobby. Politics at its worst- maybe the media will get it.”
(Excerpt) Read more at conservativetribune.com ...
The fact that Mexico has never moved onto charging US law enforcement officials with Mexican law violations really begs for some explanation. If Mexican officials had helped to move weapons across the US border and kill one thousand Americans, we’d react in a pretty hostile way. In this case? They just looked the other way.
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Unbelievable. I always thought these people where a heck of a lot more Machiavellian. Maybe they are and his email is just a way to rally his subordinates. To say that Issa was never concerned about the death of Mexicans caused by the Administration’s smuggling of weapons to drug cartels is a low charge. And what about Americans killed by these weapons including Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry? Is Holder silent on that topic? I’m not sure how its a suck up to the NRA, though. Political? Yes but that is also his job, oversight of federal agencies. Even if his motive is suspect, no American of any party should shrug their shoulders at the DOJ being gun runners to drug cartels and responsible for the death of thousands of people.
The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF AgentsAgent Casa recounted a similar situation. He had also never heard of, nor seen, guns being allowed to walk until he got to Phoenix:
. . . . But from the time I started as an ATF special agent . . . up until the time I got to Phoenix, that was my understanding, that we do not let guns walk, absolutely, positively not. And if we –if ever a case [where]we would do that, there better be a really good explanation why we did not grab that gun when we could.
Q. But that changed when you came to Phoenix, I mean the practice at least changed, correct?
A. Yes.
(snip)
As Agent Dodson testified:
Q. Based on our training and experience, what did you think about [walking guns]?
A. It was something I had never done before, sir. And quite frankly, I took great issue with it and concern.I felt like I understand the importance of going after the bigger target, but there is a way to do that. We did it successfully in the dope world all the time. And those skills and practices that we used there, a lot of them transfer over, and more than applicable in gun trafficking investigations, but we weren’t allowed to use any of them.
Q. And did you ever have a recollection of sharing your frustration with Special Agent Casa?
A. Oh, yes, sir.
Q. And any other special agents that you can –
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And maybe you could just tell us what other agents you –
A. Pretty much everyone, sir. It was, I shared my reservations and concerns with Special Agent [L], with Dave Voth, with Special Agent [D]Special Agent [H], Special Agent Alt, Special Agent [P], several of the special agents that came on the GRIT, G-R-I-T. The gunrunner initiative is what it stands for. I shared them with or I voiced my concerns to other agents inside the Phoenix field division that was on other groups.
(snip)
Despite this e-mail, agents continued to experience dismay and frustration as Operation Fast and Furious continued along its perilous path. As Agent Casa testified:
Q. And is it fair to say that. . .the folks on your side of the schism wanted to do everything they could to interdict these weapons so they wouldn’t get any farther down the street than they have to?
A. Yes, sir. We were all sick to death when we realized that –when we realized what was going on or when we saw what was going on by the trends. We were all just, yes, we were all distraught.
The rift widened when the Assistant Special Agent in Charge (ASAC) authoritatively and unambiguously told Group VII that guns were not being walked, that the special agents were incorrect in their terminology, and that there would be no more discussion or dissension about this topic. Agent Dodson testified:
A. Then we get an e-mail that . . . there is going to be a meeting. [the ASAC] is coming down, [the ASAC] comes into the Group 7 office and tells us essentially we better stand down with our complaints, that we didn’t know what the definition of walking guns was, we weren’t familiar with the Phoenix way of doing things, that all of this was sanctioned and we just needed to essentially shut up and get in line. That’s not a quote, but that’s the feel of the meeting, so . . .
With soetoro as pRESIDENT the border is wide open. With a Republican it might not be.
They care for the "little people" as much as hussein and holder.
That's an incredibly cynical view and indicative of a corrupt and guilty conscience. Also formed from a false premise that the U.S. AG could not have been unaware of.
Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent MythAs we discussed in a previous analysis, the 90 percent number was derived from a June 2009 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to Congress on U.S. efforts to combat arms trafficking to Mexico (see external link).
According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.
This means that the 87 percent figure relates to the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced are not from the total number of weapons seized by Mexican authorities or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.
Until the scandal blew wide open, Holder and the obamists were begging Mexico to sue American gun manufacturers in US courts. There was a veritable drumbeat from the obama regime pushing the government of Mexico to sue.
Because we took all of their people in!!! Then they send more money home than they would ever make in Mexico.
Numbers show (making you wonder how legit they might be) that the folks we are allowing into the country....are mostly non-Mexicans (Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc). There aren’t that many Mexicans coming across the border anymore (I’d suspect NAFTA helped in that cause).
Barely freaking out.
I have been following Fast and Furious for quite some time, but as far as I can recall no one has ever claimed that “thousands” of people were killed with weapons coming directly out of the F&F operation. I think what Holder was referring to was the thousands killed in the drug lord operations in general.
Supposedly F&F was designed to expose how the guns were mostly coming from the U.S. side (this is what Hildabeast and others were claiming). Supposedly they wanted to “prove” this so they could use it as justification to shut down gun sales in the U.S.
In short, I suspect this article has got the context wrong.
While this covers F&F ,fast and furious,be more intrested inter office and WH exchanges on Zimmerman and Ferguson and the use of the AG’s office to promote racial strife or conceal facts (Brown video/police reports) which has resulted in continuing deaths and property damage.
Let me get this straight:
Holder is ballistic about Issa “holding” his feet to the fire about the repercussions of HIS ACTIONS of running guns to Mexican drug cartels and not his own breaking of the law of running guns to Mexican drug cartels.
How about Issa is following the line of court admissible evidence that Holder engaged in illegal activity and politics has nothing to do with the investigation?
I read it differently- that he is saying guns go to Mexico and end up killing, not govt gun running is doing it. This is what libs have been saying for years- that the problem is the guns used in mexico come from the USA, and Fast & Furious is needed to track and ultimately stop them. Don’t know if Holder really believes this or not, it is just their rationale.
SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!
Not!
Most if not all Democrats have a burning churning volcano inside, ready to erupt...
WHY do people CLAIM that Holder is black? At the very most he is part black of hispanic. He is NOT black. he is very light skinned and doesn’t have negroid features at all. He is beige or light tan at most....
Sounds like conspiracy to "Obstruct Justice" to me.
Yes.
I remember Hillary quoting some fantastic, outrageous figure about American guns killing Mexicans just before F&F came to light.
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