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To: Olog-hai

No argument from me, but the EU needs to be spearheadng it. Not our military.


2 posted on 11/09/2014 10:22:05 PM PST by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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To: catfish1957

You don’t want that to happen. The last thing the EU needs to become is a so-called “third power”.

If Obama wants the EU (not “Euorpe”) spearheading any such pushback against Putin (the USA is the chief target of his ire, remember), why should we want it?


4 posted on 11/09/2014 10:26:59 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: catfish1957

I disagree. This is EU expansion propaganda. Making the EU bigger and richer is turning them into a bully and a propaganda machine.

I am not saying Putin is perfect or that he doesn’t play into their hands. But this article is a distortion. The line was drawn when Ukraine chose EU over Russia. Putin reacted to that. Now EU wants to act like a disinterested third party just out to help Ukraine. That simply is not true.

Ok I will probably get flamed so I am just telling you I am not staying to fight this out. I just think the rising EU is more dangerous than Putin.

Russia is not going to just bow down and let their economy tank. They will go back to old ways first. The fault will be shared, though. It will forever be an opportunity lost.

Ukraine is too weak to be anything more than someone’s pawn. The question is simply whose pawn do they want to be.


12 posted on 11/09/2014 10:47:08 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: catfish1957

Sure.

Imagine Italian and French armies stuck in epic snow, with Russian tanks closing in ...

Germans know the word. Stalingrad ...


20 posted on 11/10/2014 3:41:38 AM PST by trotskylvalia (where nose meets the grindstone)
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