Posted on 12/17/2014 11:57:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
Just days before he shot to death a 17-year-old German exchange student, Markus Kaarma told hair stylists he had been waiting up to shoot some kids who were burglarizing homes.
He told them they would see it on the news.
Kaarma hoped to bait an intruder by leaving his garage door partially open and placing a purse inside, prosecutors said. And when he did, a motion detector alerted him early April 27. Kaarma took a shotgun outside and almost immediately fired four blasts into the garage. Diren Dede, unarmed, was hit twice. He died after the final shot hit him in the head.
For those reasons, Kaarma’s “castle doctrine” defense, which allows people to use deadly force to protect their home and family, failed him Wednesday. A Missoula jury convicted him of deliberate homicide. …
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Where is Kaarma from?? Nepal? As I remember he was able to score a state job of some kind
I don’t believe you can set traps for people and then claim self defense when they take the bait!
It’s illegal to set a trap like that with the intent to kill or injure. That’s what it looks like he did and it was fully baited. You can’t rig a shotgun to fire if the door opens and then lock the door so they can only enter by breaking and entering.
People who defend psycho killers, have some weird problems themselves, but we do see it over and over on threads like this.
~I don’t believe you can set traps for people and then claim self defense when they take the bait!~
Sure. Not to mention it is not clear was the victim willing to steal from him or probably went to inform he has forgot to close a door and left his property exposed.
No self defense in this case if the factual circumstances are described properly in the article.
This guy simply wanted to kill someone and he did.
Baloney. Criminals just walking into garages that are not their own is a criminal act. You think the cops would have showed up in time to catch Dede?
It was a ‘baited’ episode. I can’t understand his logic or thinking...but if you look over all the evidence....he just wanted someone to cross the line and he was going to shoot them. The guy, in my humble opinion...is some kind of nutcase.
What trap?
I don’t think that Kaarma would have shot someone that was not a criminal. A nutcase would have done that.
Seems like that!
Yeah, I think mantraps are illegal.
I had a friendly argument with another over a similar (maybe the same) case. He wondered if I thought the deceased “deserved” what he got. I said I don’t know whether they did or not, only that you take you don’t know what you’re in for if you trespass onto another’s property. And that it’s hardly surprising things turned out the way they did.
As pissed off as I would be at having a bunch of “yutes” taking stuff from garages and worrying mine might be next - this man (and his wife that did an inventory of her purse, then left it in the garage as bait) were wrong. Rock salt in the shotgun at a distance perhaps - but that would probably even earn one’s self a conviction today. Heck - rock salt over his head may have kept him from ever wanting to prowl the neighborhood at night again.
Sentence the Jury to the maximum punishment for a violation of rights.
Leaving the door half open and putting a wallet there. That is setting a trap. And like someone else said it cannot be determined if the kid saw the scene and thought someone could have been in trouble or just to tell their neighbor that they had left the door open or dropped their wallet.
Funny how everyone’s suddenly an “entrapment” lawyer with respect to this case, eh?
That is because you are sane.
Sometimes when it comes to the gun use threads, there are those guys who think it is OK to reveal a side that shows them to be closer to the bad guys, as having murderous tendencies, and that we won’t notice, because the situation has a criminal in it.
Not to mention a victim is an exchange student from Germany. I have ordered smartphone on-line while in a suburb of quite a large city in Germany and fond it on top of my mailbox because a courier went when I wasn’t at home. He haven’t even thought someone else can pick it nor did people who went by.
They leave their homes and garages opened and keys in their cars in Germany.
Stealing is mostly culturally incompatible with Germans, especially if we are talking about exchange student who are most likely a middle class person and not a muslim immigrant.
My trap is my life and possessions. If some stupid human fish comes along and decides to steal it. BAM!
I 100% disagree with you on this.
I separate animals from humans.
If almighty gov wants me to consider them the same then say it.
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