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GOP tactics on ObamaCare move away from full repeal
The Hill ^ | January 16, 2015 | Sarah Ferris

Posted on 01/16/2015 12:05:15 PM PST by C19fan

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To: GeronL
I was amazed that people couldn't seem to grasp the concept that a Republican win in November would signal to the Republican party that they wouldn't have to do anything. (In effect they took it as I'm not a Democrat as being good enough to win, instead of taking it as f—k this bull, let's fix things. of the electorate being tired of business as usual.)
41 posted on 01/16/2015 1:08:57 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: MAexile
Just like 'now' is never the right time to take a stand on (abortion, bureaucracy, corruption, debt, fraud, extortion,

Right now the GOP does not have enough votes to overcome a veto. They would need an additional 13 Dems to join them. I don't think that's going to happen.

So, because you don't think it can happen, we shouldn't even try. Got it.

What they can do now is throw a monkey wrench or three in there and let it grind to a halt. Sooner or later a president and a congress will come along and officially take it off the books.

They could have done that before by refusing to fund it, or did you forget that the Republicans had a majority in the House of Representatives, from whence funding comes? — Your throw a monkey wrench in it comes of as a steaming pile of BS considering that.

42 posted on 01/16/2015 1:11:31 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: C19fan

I wonder if the GOOBs have a plan on how they are going to subsidize ObamaCare for Barry’s 11.6 million illegal alien invaders who recently were given amnesty by the Kenyan’s pen and phone.


43 posted on 01/16/2015 1:16:36 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When the hell do I get MY white privilege? I'm tired of busting my @$$ for a living.)
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To: BitWielder1

This is the biggest problem I have with non-voters, and particularly “I aint givin’ my consent!” people.
When you vote, at least you physically do something to make your personal voice heard. And you may possibly get a good guy or gal in there.
When you do not vote, you are allowing the left to seemlessly take over without any opposition.
Go down fighting, not whimpering like a little girl! My 2 cents.


44 posted on 01/16/2015 1:17:46 PM PST by vpintheak (Keep calm and Rain Steel!)
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To: dware
Single payer coming right up! Watch. That's what was meant to happen from the beginning.

Exactly. And people who think the Republicans can somehow turn back the clock to the pre-Obamacare state of health insurance are deluded.

Some legislation, once passed, is impossible to erase.

45 posted on 01/16/2015 1:20:06 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

The deluded ones think that the GOP even want to turn back the clock


46 posted on 01/16/2015 1:20:56 PM PST by GeronL
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To: OneWingedShark
So, because you don't think it can happen, we shouldn't even try.

Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. -Yoda

If they only had to get two or three votes, perhaps four, to overturn, I'd go ahead and do it. But thirteen? I've been watching these guys for a while, that's a lot.

Unless they can overcome a veto, passing a full repeal puts us right back where we started.

47 posted on 01/16/2015 1:21:31 PM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes rights)
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To: MAexile

Lets see if they do that. I am betting they don’t.


48 posted on 01/16/2015 1:24:38 PM PST by hotsteppa
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To: Bratch

Communications director for Senator Ted Cruz? Nice..:)


49 posted on 01/16/2015 1:25:26 PM PST by hotsteppa
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To: GeronL
The deluded ones think that the GOP even want to turn back the clock

It doesn't matter if the GOP does or not. The insurance companies sure as hell don't want to turn back the clock and they're the ones holding the cards.

Even if the GOP could repeal it, are they going to demand that insurance companies offer their old plans again? How would they accomplish that?

50 posted on 01/16/2015 1:30:40 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

end the subsidies and mandates for one


51 posted on 01/16/2015 1:32:56 PM PST by GeronL
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To: BitWielder1
Explain again why voting is important.

If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." Mark Twain -

52 posted on 01/16/2015 2:48:11 PM PST by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs.98¢-89¢<1 dim)
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To: itsahoot

Say the cognoscenti with nose in the air after their 20th consecutive year of missing primaries in which 5.5% of the eligible voters voted

(and that’s in a hypothetical world where no other impact could be had on the political life of a land)


53 posted on 01/16/2015 2:51:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: dware
WTF? I’m so tired of the GOP

I'm repeating myself for the 3rd time today.

It's a one party system perpetrating a non stop version of Kabuki theater on America.

Unfortunately most people are too busy with their "bread & circuses" to either pay attention or care about what's happening.

54 posted on 01/16/2015 3:03:21 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: VideoDoctor

Being sick of the GOP means you put too much trust in them in the first place.


55 posted on 01/16/2015 3:04:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Drew68

See, thats where you are totally wrong. I really see no point of rehashing Barry, George Bush1/2 or Bill Clinton doing any one of a hundred things where they simply reached into their arses, pulled out an edict and made it happen. Because we all talk about that very thing daily.

The one thing I simply do not grasp is why there are people think it’s impossible to turn back Obamacare to last day of normality policies. They went from normality as we knew it POOF!

And they can most assuredly be unpoofed exactly the same way. It’s simply a matter of will. There is not one thing that occurs in America that 500+ people don’t materialize as they ‘feel’ needed. That can work just as easily going the other way.


56 posted on 01/16/2015 3:18:21 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Being sick of the GOP means you put too much trust in them in the first place.

Well, no — you can be sick of the corrupt police in your city w/o thinking that they are/will-be any better than they are.

57 posted on 01/16/2015 3:33:15 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: C19fan

This was always a better strategy...on paper. You can keep control of the message. However, there’s no reason for confidence they would continue repealing elements of it after the 30 hour work week and medical device tax provisions. Removing the mandates on policies that limit choice of policy types and requiring coverage people do not need, etc. are also very much needed as that could render the exchanges useless even if they themselves were not repealed, the banning of physician owned hospitals should be repealed, etc. Each individual piece being repealed would allow for a separate and unique debate and a focused discussion keep the blanket “why don’t you want the poor and sick to be able to go to the doctor”, however nonsensical, to be a viable means of rebuttal argument vs. a full repeal - which is so much you can’t control the narrative of why it’s bad.


58 posted on 01/16/2015 3:35:56 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Drew68

It would certainly not happen overnight, but repealing the mandates which made the old plans disappear could allow them to reappear overtime as choice in the insurance marketplace could encourage more plans to be offered.


59 posted on 01/16/2015 3:37:03 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: C19fan
The GOP is coalescing around the idea that incremental changes

Fine. Start with the Individual Mandate. Don't pass legislation that only benefits the almighty COC.

60 posted on 01/16/2015 3:38:38 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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