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Americans have nothing to learn from Nazis (Violence OK if you're a Leftist)
al-Jazeera ^ | 2/3/15 | Malcolm Harris

Posted on 02/04/2015 11:38:56 AM PST by Slings and Arrows

On Jan. 22, Jason Hammond accepted a noncooperating plea deal from prosecutors in Cook County, Illinois: He will serve 41 months for his role in an organized assault on a casual dining establishment in the Chicago suburb of Tinley Park. On May 19, 2012, Hammond and 17 others stormed the Ashford House restaurant with bats and hammers, interrupting lunch and leaving 10 people injured. But instead of years in jail, America should perhaps consider sending Hammond a thank-you card.

He is not to be confused with his twin brother, Jeremy Hammond, who is serving a 10-year sentence in federal prison for hacking the security firm Stratfor. Jason Hammond is a member of the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement (HARM), an affiliation of Indiana militant anti-fascists. That day in May, the Ashford House was playing host to a meeting of the Illinois European Heritage Association, a not-so-subtle white nationalist group. Anti-fascist (antifa for short) groups like HARM are committed to disrupting neo-Nazis and organized white supremacists by any means necessary.

White supremacists have found a comfy home on Stormfront and other Internet forums, but a real movement requires in-person meetings. The Jason Hammonds of the world have made this very difficult for them. Whenever “race realists” plan to gather in public, the standard antifa operating procedure is to call the venues, inform them that the “heritage” groups they’re planning to host are actually bunches of neo-Nazis and give them the chance to cancel. Larger companies usually do; the 2010 American Renaissance national conference, for example, was forced out of the Sheraton and into a strip mall Bertucci’s. When venues agree to host despite the warning, antifascists find other ways to put a halt to white supremacist organizing.

Because of their militant tactics, antifa associations also end up doing a lot of prisoner support. Five other participants in the Tinley Park action agreed to similar pleas in January 2013, and all are now out on parole. When push comes to shove, the police are always willing to defend neo-Nazis in suits from anarchists in hoodies. You can host a fascist meet-up, but God forbid you try to stop it by breaking a window.

American liberalism prides itself on making space available for all, including white supremacists, as in the 1969 Supreme Court decision Brandenburg v. Ohio, which affirmed the Klan’s right to rally on public streets. But when liberalism protects white nationalists against those who seek to disrupt their vile, anti-liberal activities, what does our system hope to gain?

The ostensible reason for this free speech for extremism is to keep the marketplace of ideas open. Any restrictions on the peaceful exchange of words leads to a chilling effect, and when we’re afraid to say what we think, the best ideas might die on cold tongues. Recent American history — especially the parts we’re proud of — is filled with unpopular ideas whose advocates struggled their way into the status quo. As prominent civil libertarian Cass Sunstein writes of free speech in his book “Why Societies Need Dissent,” “Better outcomes can be expected from any system that creates incentives for individuals to reveal information to the group.”

But liberals are making a category error: White supremacy isn’t a source of information; it’s among the most dangerous lies ever conceived. White nationalism has no kernel of truth for us to unearth through discussion and debate. In the marketplace of ideas, it’s strawberry-flavored rat poison. Fascism has nothing to offer, and we have zilch to gain from hearing out fascists. We may, however, have a lot to lose.

There’s no such thing as nonviolent Nazis. Their only role in a free society is planning to overthrow it. Liberalism asks that we treat speech the way the government does, remaining agnostic with regard to its content as long as it doesn’t incite imminent lawless action. The liberal argument goes that the answer to bad speech isn’t censorship or force but better speech. No matter that white nationalists are using the Constitution as cover to organize against the document’s declared values; the rules still protect them. There’s a lot of self-satisfaction in this pose, but it’s staggeringly vulnerable. Neo-Nazis pursuing an entryist strategy join the military and other state institutions, gaining access to training and recruitment opportunities and biding their time. In the event of social upheaval, white nationalists plan to be prepared.

Americans have no reason to be coy when it comes to white pride, yet we do act this way, as when 700 cops chaperoned 45 National Socialists on a 2005 walk through black neighborhoods in Toledo, Ohio. Is it too much to ask that our police — who aren’t given to such fits of liberalism when it comes to black people, Muslims and environmental activists — let the Nazis fight their own battles? If the famed slippery slope argument ends with the government monitoring everyone’s communication for hints of extremism, then we’re already at the bottom of the hill. There’s no liberty to be gained by dancing the public-sphere polka with white nationalists, whether they’re wearing loafers or jackboots. Anti-fascists like Jason Hammond don’t blind themselves to history or bind their hands with liberal tolerance. They know that now, as before, the swastika belongs under a hammer. As fascist elements organize, the violence required to confront and marginalize them only increases. As the antifa group One People’s Project puts it, “Hate has consequences.” Better to fight now.

So far, despite the heavy consequences for activists, the effort to isolate white nationalists is going well. As respectable European fascists wedge their way into the popular conversation (and occasionally The New York Times) their American comrades are floundering. Unable to hold their Bertucci’s territory, the 2015 American Renaissance conference will be in the middle of the Tennessee woods, at the only venue willing to host them: a state park.

Malcolm Harris is an editor at The New Inquiry and a writer based in Brooklyn.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Illinois; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: aljazeera; blackkk; casssunstein; cookcounty; illinois; jasonhammond; jeremyhammond; malcolmharris; tinleypark
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What a sick *CENSORED*.
1 posted on 02/04/2015 11:38:56 AM PST by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’ve learned from the Nazi’s (National Socialist German Workers Party):
1. If someone wants to register your guns, don’t let them.
2. If someone wants to take away your freedom and let the state control everything, don’t let them.
3. If some says “It’s for the children” don’t believe them.


2 posted on 02/04/2015 11:49:42 AM PST by thorvaldr
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To: thorvaldr

Three for three.


3 posted on 02/04/2015 11:57:07 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Ragnarok" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5nD7-qsEw)
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To: Slings and Arrows

There are very few groups more disturbing that white supremacists, Nazis, and fascists, but the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement manages to be even worse. When a group like that storms a “restaurant with bats and hammers . . . leaving 10 people injured,” I’d be cheering for any armed American who could shoot them all down like the predators they are. For a writer to support such unprovoked violence would be a shock in any venue other than an anti-American site such as al-Jazeera or an Obama website.

The good news: 18 attackers, and my Glock holds 17+1 rounds. There’s too many to double tap without reloading, but good shot placement could give each of them a little attention. These people are terrorists, and all terrorists should be shot down on sight.


4 posted on 02/04/2015 11:58:44 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

White radical kid, going to Cook County jail? Yeah, he’ll find out all about racism and violence.


5 posted on 02/04/2015 12:03:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary men)
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To: Slings and Arrows
You can host a fascist meet-up, but God forbid you try to stop it by breaking a window.

Wait a minute! The Constitution defends both freedom of assembly and the right to private property?

Malcolm Harris is right! This is insane!

6 posted on 02/04/2015 12:07:23 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Welcome to the Crazy Years.


7 posted on 02/04/2015 12:12:16 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Ragnarok" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5nD7-qsEw)
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To: SunkenCiv

If I understand correctly, given the length of his sentence he’ll be going to prison. It’s a shame that they closed the Charm School at Joliet.


8 posted on 02/04/2015 12:14:20 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Ragnarok" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5nD7-qsEw)
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To: thorvaldr

“It’s for the children” is one of those “good intentions” that the road to Hell is paved with.

Notice that I put “good intentions” in quotes because the evidence suggests that the intentions are not really that good. And even if they are, the evidence leaves no doubt that they do not work.


9 posted on 02/04/2015 12:15:21 PM PST by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: Pollster1
"New York reload" = second Glock, identical to the first, in the other hand.
10 posted on 02/04/2015 1:02:00 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Anti-fascists like Jason Hammond don’t blind themselves to history or bind their hands with liberal tolerance. They know that now, as before, the swastika belongs under a hammer. As fascist elements organize, the violence required to confront and marginalize them only increases. As the antifa group One People’s Project puts it, “Hate has consequences.” Better to fight now.

Actually, leftists confronted rightists in North Carolina about 25 years ago when the Communist Party took on a group of the KKK and got shot to pieces. Several Communist organizers were killed. Moral: Never call for a hammer fight with people who own shotguns and rifles.

Minoritarian groups that have had the most success so far have been the black civil rights movement, the homofascist movement guided by Kirk and Madsen (using Nazi propaganda guidelines), and what could be called a related group, "feminist" antiheterosexualists (lesbians) abusing men and fathers.

None of those groups used violence to get ahead, but instead used an army of unpaid lawyers and strategic lawsuits in forum-shopped venues (closet-case judges).

11 posted on 02/04/2015 1:18:26 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: SunkenCiv
He will be taught many lessons they don't teach in liberal la la land. He will learn just how uncivilized society can be when there's a black majority and white minority. He will also learn to apply Vaseline in large quantities before being sodomized repeatedly.
12 posted on 02/04/2015 1:56:33 PM PST by peeps36 (Save The Tortoise And Kill The People)
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To: All

Repressive tolerance.


13 posted on 02/04/2015 3:14:01 PM PST by pluvmantelo (Democrats: the party of moral hazard, the IRS, the NSA and the heckler's veto)
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To: Slings and Arrows

>>”That day in May, the Ashford House was playing host to a meeting of the Illinois European Heritage Association, a not-so-subtle white nationalist group. Anti-fascist (antifa for short) groups like HARM are committed to disrupting neo-Nazis and organized white supremacists by any means necessary.<<

I would like to see them try to do that to Joe Colombo and the members of the Italian-American Civil Rights League.


14 posted on 02/04/2015 3:46:36 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: Slings and Arrows

If Mr. Harris wishes to avoid a “category error” (that actually has a precise philosophical definition of which he is apparently unaware) then he should consider that it is the signal characteristic of a totalitarian to insist that he is the arbiter of whom is worthy of being allowed to speak. If in fact suppression of those from whom one considers one has nothing to learn is enlightened philosophy, then why on earth should anyone be allowed to print his article?


15 posted on 02/04/2015 3:53:33 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill; pluvmantelo

“The issue is never the issue. The issue is the revolution.”
—David Horowitz, quoting unnamed SDS leader.


16 posted on 02/04/2015 4:05:58 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Ragnarok" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5nD7-qsEw)
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To: Slings and Arrows
This was exactly the reasoning behind anti-Communist and anti-subversive legislation in the past, and you know what the Left thinks of that.

This is the inevitable result of non-Theistic moral systems.

17 posted on 02/04/2015 4:44:34 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Agreed; see post #16.


18 posted on 02/04/2015 5:08:34 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Ragnarok" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5nD7-qsEw)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Saw that comment in another thread recently. I’d forgotten it so was glad to have my memory refreshed. The most succinct explanation of progressive behavior I’ve come across.


19 posted on 02/04/2015 5:16:01 PM PST by pluvmantelo (Democrats: the party of moral hazard, the IRS, the NSA and the heckler's veto)
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To: pluvmantelo

Horowitz nailed it. Glad to help.


20 posted on 02/04/2015 6:16:24 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Ragnarok" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5nD7-qsEw)
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