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NPR: A Ruling Against Obamacare Would Have Broad Implications
NPR.org ^ | 03/04/2015 | John Ydstie

Posted on 03/04/2015 1:57:17 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

Supporters of the Affordable Care Act gather in front of the U.S Supreme Court during a rally Wednesday. The court heard arguments in the case and is expected to announce its decision in June.

The Supreme Court heard arguments Wednesday in a case that could end Obamacare subsidies for policyholders in a majority of states, including Texas, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio. If the court sides with the plaintiffs, it would mean millions of people could no longer afford health insurance.

The challenge to the Obamacare subsidies comes in the case King vs. Burwell. The plaintiffs point to a passage in Affordable Care Act that suggests that the federal government can only offer premium subsidies in Obamacare exchanges established by the states.

Only 16 states and the District of Columbia established their own systems. The rest are run by the federal government. In most cases, that's because Republican governors and legislatures refused to create a state system.

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If the court upholds the challenge to the subsidies, an estimated 8 million people, including Melissa Trudeau, her husband and four children could lose their insurance.

"We'd probably just have to maybe only insure the kids," she says. "There's no way we could afford to do all of us, insure all of the entire family."

Trudeau and her family live near Tyler, Texas, and pay about $500 a month for coverage in the federally run exchange there. Without subsidies the cost would be $1,100.

"I'm really worried about it because we pretty much live paycheck to paycheck and we have a little bit extra coming in here and there but nothing we can really count on," Trudeau says. "If they take away the subsidies, I really don't know what we're going to do then."

But Christine Eibner, an economist at the RAND Corporation, a think tank, says it's not just the people getting subsidies who will be hurt.

"It's important to keep in mind that this ruling could have implications beyond the number of people losing subsidies," she says.

"When younger and healthier people drop out of the market because they no longer have access to subsidies, that causes premiums to increase."

- Christine Eibner, an economist at the RAND Corporation

If the court rules that the subsidies are illegal, even people in the individual insurance market who do not get subsidies would see their premiums rise — including people who bought their insurance outside the federally run marketplaces.

"We see premiums increasing by about 47 percent," Eibner says.

She says that's because removing subsidies would cause the youngest and healthiest people in the federally run exchanges to drop their insurance. "And when younger and healthier people drop out of the market because they no longer have access to subsidies, that causes premiums to increase," Eibner says.

Because older and sicker people need more health care, they will do everything they can to hang on to their insurance. That raises costs for insurance companies and they raise their premiums in response.

"It would be a staggering blow," says Andy Carter, CEO of the Hospital and Healthsystem Association of Pennsylvania. He says it would be a blow to those getting subsidies in the federally run Pennsylvania exchange and a blow to hospitals, which would lose revenue. Carter says 4 out of 5 Pennsylvanians in the ACA exchange there get subsidies.

"The subsidies themselves represent a keystone to the whole Affordable Care Act structure," he says. "You lose those subsidies, and the whole thing just collapses."

U.S. hospitals have filed friend-of-the-court briefs in support of the subsidies. Carter says he's optimistic the Supreme Court will rule the subsidies are legal, but he is talking to Pennsylvania state officials about setting up a state-run exchange just in case. However, he says, opposition in the state legislature remains a hurdle.

Eibner, of the RAND Corporation, says states that didn't set up their own exchanges would take an economic hit by giving up the federal subsidies.

"The subsidies are bringing about [$400] million a month into the state of Florida and [$200] million a month into the state of Texas," she says. "Over the course of the year, this translates into billions of dollars."

The Supreme Court is expected to announce its decision in June. So far, the Obama administration says it has no plan and no executive-branch power to undo the effects of a negative ruling.


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1 posted on 03/04/2015 1:57:17 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“NPR: A Ruling Against Obamacare Would Have Broad Implications”

That’s quite the gender insensitive statement...even if women and minorities would be hurt most...


2 posted on 03/04/2015 2:01:07 PM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Obama has 4 Automatic Votes

Thanks Bush

2 maybes

3 posted on 03/04/2015 2:01:39 PM PST by scooby321
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

>>”When younger and healthier people drop out of the market because they no longer have access to subsidies, that causes premiums to increase.”<<

Ya think? The same is true for food, housing, and other things.

If I have medical issues that I can’t pay for (I do want to use Health Insurance as it was intended), I will die (IRL) rather than stick the USA with the bill.

I don’t have kids — theoretically I don’t have a dog in the fight for long term. But I love the USA more than than my own life.

But if I can get long life and a truly free USA, that would be a good ending :)


4 posted on 03/04/2015 2:02:36 PM PST by freedumb2003 (islam: The hands of the Chinese, the mouths of the arabs, the minds of the French.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Somehow despite Republican control of the House and Senate, NPR continues to be funded.


5 posted on 03/04/2015 2:03:43 PM PST by allendale
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Who are the broads they would haveimplications on.


6 posted on 03/04/2015 2:03:59 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ruling Against Obamacare Would Have Broad Implications

yep, implications like; the government has no business dictating to the health care industry who gets it, what they get, what the cost is and whether they live or die and when.

7 posted on 03/04/2015 2:04:42 PM PST by drypowder
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They’re certain to blackmail Roberts again. He’ll vote with Obama, I’m afraid.


8 posted on 03/04/2015 2:07:08 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Gruber himself said zerocare would ‘churn the markets’ for some time after implementation.

So RATS don’t have problems with churning markets. Let’s churn it back to a free market, with no IRS involvement.

And if that family is living paycheck to paycheck with all those kids, they almost certainly qualify for free CHIPS for the kids.


9 posted on 03/04/2015 2:07:23 PM PST by txhurl
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not to worry libbies. 0 would never give up his citizen financial data collection centers. He needs the info to squeeze even more blood out of the American taxpayers


10 posted on 03/04/2015 2:08:11 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

FUNPR!!!


11 posted on 03/04/2015 2:14:42 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“If the court sides with the plaintiffs, it would mean millions of people could no longer afford health insurance.”

Hint to National Proletariat Radio: they can’t afford it now. Neither can the taxpayers (and their children), who are already $18 trillion in debt.


12 posted on 03/04/2015 2:15:34 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"NPR: A Ruling Against Obamacare Would Have Broad Implications"

Yes. Many would be forced into the violent, sexist sport of broadcasting to get by.


13 posted on 03/04/2015 2:16:29 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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14 posted on 03/04/2015 2:16:58 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: allendale
Somehow despite Republican control of the House and Senate, NPR continues to be funded.

The Federal Reserve will ensure that all the money needed is available to the Nanny-State, even if savers and workers need to be raped with zero interest rates and massive debt monetization.

Only a financial collapse will force a reform of the US Government - and even then, I doubt it would make anything better. Our government will simply follow the path of Argentina in that case.

15 posted on 03/04/2015 2:17:08 PM PST by PGR88
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The issue goes even beyond Obamacare. The bigger issue is whether Supreme Court Justices are required to read the English language, which is entirely clear in this case. A ruling in favor of Obama will mean that no law written in English need be obeyed.


16 posted on 03/04/2015 2:17:41 PM PST by djpg
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The rest are run by the federal government. In most cases, that's because Republican governors and legislatures refused to create a state system.

No, it is because the law never covered those states, and the IRS unlawfully overreached its charter, misinterpreting the law, to cover the states. NPR's bias is showing.

17 posted on 03/04/2015 2:18:34 PM PST by SteveH
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The biggest thing it would imply is that there are still some Americans in Congress.


18 posted on 03/04/2015 2:19:00 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: txhurl

“The subsidies are bringing about [$400] million a month into the state of Florida and [$200] million a month into the state of Texas,”


5 billion a year for FL and 2.5 billion in TX *newly* going to the insurance companies?? Who tend to own the hospitals, clinics, laboratories and doctors that their plans cover??

That’s mob bankster money!


19 posted on 03/04/2015 2:20:08 PM PST by txhurl
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Oops! I misread that as RPEAL instead of a SCOTUS ruling.


20 posted on 03/04/2015 2:26:09 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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