Skip to comments.In Northern Ireland: "Before God, This is something we could not make" Christian Baker tells Court
Posted on 04/04/2015 5:29:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
The Ulster baker who has been taken to court for refusing to make a cake celebrating gay marriage said that his religion was too important to him to go against his beliefs, the Daily Express reports.
Daniel McArthur, general manager of family run Ashers Bakery, told Belfast County Court, Before God, this is something we couldnt make.
The business refused to undertake an order by a gay activist who wanted it decorated with Sesame Street characters Bert and Ernie, arm-in-arm under the words Support Gay Marriage.
Same Sex marriage is still illegal in Northern Ireland; a country where only 10 per cent of people described themselves as atheist in the last census, compared to 41 per cent who were Roman Catholic, 20 per cent Presbyterian and 13 per cent Anglican.
Instead of tolerating other peoples religious beliefs, Northern Irelands Equality Commission took action against Ashers on behalf of gay rights activist Gareth Lee.
Giving evidence on the second day of the trial, which has divided opinion in Ulster, Mr McArthur said The reason for the decision was that, as Christians, we could not put that message on a cake.
Gay marriage is clearly in contradiction of the Bible; Our Christian faith is of utmost importance to us, he said.
It is how we run our lives, it is how we live our lives, it is how we bring up our families: Before God, this is something we couldnt make.
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Naming your son Gareth is a virtual certainty.
By the way... the most hardened of atheists could and should — if he cares for his fellow man and the good of his society and state — recognize that the only sexual preference and practice which should be normalized and legitimized by society and state is that of adult, married, permanent, man-with-woman couplings.
This is a Christian issue, and a religious issue, but it is not necessarily a Christian/religious issue.
It shouldn’t be that difficult to grasp.
This has to end. The queers cackle with glee while the rest of us are miserable, depressed and paralyzed as we can’t flee it or fight it.
If things go the way it should, they’ll all be dead of AIDS soon.
That is a copyrighted image that cannot be duplicated , the baker is being asked to commit a crime (a small one) ,, on that basis he can refuse.
This particular one was a no-brainer. The baker should have just said he doesn’t do copyright infringement.
See, this I don’t get. It is obviously a political message, done for a political reason, why would this be a case in the first place? Are people in Northern Ireland not able to decline based upon content?
Oh, right, it’s extra special because it’s gay.
‘I’m sorry, we declined the content that the customer wished to put on the cake. It was not something we wished to be associated with.’ Defending it with religion is just.. painful. It is like you have to justify it, which shouldn’t be the case.
Being denied the cake of his choice from the baker he chose for predatory reasons does not make him a lesser person. Throwing a juvenile hissy fit and pouting over rejection makes him a lesser person. Trying to compel a free person to act as a slave and work against their deeply-held beliefs makes him one of the most evil people alive - definitely a far lesser person.
I think these bakers, florists, photographers, etc., are being left out to dry. It’s shameful.
First of all, they are NOT strictly obliged to refuse to make these cakes, provide flowers, or take photographs. Gay weddings are a farce. But those who cater them or serve at them in various ways are not participating in, or even facilitating, the commission of the sin of sodomy. Sodomy is already taking place between the new “partners,” and it will continue without regard to the baker’s, florist’s, or photographer’s participation in the “wedding.”
A Catholic florist, baker, or photographer is not morally obligated to refuse his services to people who are for any reason (e.g., an existing bond of marriage) not able to contract a valid marriage.
What is most disgusting is that these people ARE taking what they believe is a principled stand, and are receiving no support—not even rhetorical support. They are standing up for the truth, while the vast majority of Catholic bishops and other clergy are cowering under their desks.
RE: This has to end.
How can this end if government gets bigger and bigger and becomes more involved in every aspect of our lives?
“Northern Irelands Equality Commission...”
These Nazi pricks have names and addresses.
I Know. It is all political gamemanship.
I think the businesspeople are sincere. I think they think they are morally obliged to put themselves on the line in this way. What I find disgusting is that no clergy are speaking up, either to relieve their consciences or to support them.
Well, we kept hearing how the left kept saying being a fag is natural. Guess what? Nature finds a way to eradicate abominations from it’s midst. Now if only can explain to me as well why 2 fags cannot “naturally” conceive a child while I count the chirps..
Govt is using our money to pay for expensive drugs that keep sodomites with aids and hiv alive.
At least we’re not being carted off to the coliseum, to face down lions.
So there’s that.
File copyright/trademark claims to every possible slogan associated with deviant marriage and threaten legal action across the board if anyone fails to gain the expressed written consent of the trademark holder prior to it’s use.