Posted on 05/07/2015 8:31:38 AM PDT by Baynative
I’m not worried about the Chris Kyles. I’m worried about the Lon Horiuchis.
I would suggest that the cries of paranoia come from shilling statists.
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
And E. H0lders.
Any idea who the commander in chief is? Have you watched the transformation of the military during the last 6 years? Have you noted the participation of other agencies? Are you a student of history?
Hey! Just because I AM paranoid in no way proves that they’re not out to get me.
Has anyone dared to mock you about “voices in your head” like they’re so quick to with others of similar opinion?
Thanks very much for this. Your post says what i was trying to say here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3286691/posts
Post 85
I am reposting it here not because of any author’s hubris but because it supplements what you say so well. The armed forces of a free nation with Constitutional guarantees of basic liberties should not be conducting large scale exercises to get the military comfortable with working with the likes of DHS and the BOP to crush ‘insurrections’ by their fellow citizens:
to LucyT; All
Thanks for the comment. I was writing quickly last night and think some more context would be helpful.
In spite of the alarmist tone of the Ranger ‘revelation’ I don’t dismiss his purported testimony. This exercise encompasses a lot of agencies. One is likely DHS in concert with the Federal Bureau of prisons. A few conveyances such as described probably been ordered. Only a small portion of those estimated to be needed if an extensive ‘insurrection’ might occur. In an exercise combining command post (CPX) and Field Training (FTX) elements relatively small numbers of specialized equipment will be employed in a test environment that will try to mimic at least partially how these systems would be really used to familiarize at least some operators with real time use of their equipment. In this case soldiers or DHS personnel will act the role of prisoners and be transported to a mock series of processing and detention centers. In a real world occurrence the prisoner treatment will be something beyond your worse nightmare . One poster correctly identified a site which describes in detail US BOP real time protocols for prisoner movement and handling.
This is a very large exercise and from its scope and the number of player organizations within the armed services it appears to be what is or used to be called a ‘JCS Sponsored Exercise’. This means that issues of the greatest interest and importance to the Department of Defense will be used as the basis for developing the master event list and the play items for each event.
It also means the JCS exercise fund picks up the tab for all extraordinary costs (overtime, flying hours, material consumption, etc.) that participating agencies incur.
During the late part of the Cold War the JCS sponsored two exercises a year. A CPX/FTX in the spring and a largely administrative CPX in the fall/winter time frame. After the Cold War ended these dwindled to one every other year after Desert Shield and then none after 9-11. The exercise program was restarted after 9-11 by concentrating on mass casualty and unconventional scenarios including Weapons of Mass Destruction events. This exercise in scope and duration appears to be akin to the old JCS spring exercises. These included Night Train 85 which dealt with post nuclear reconstitution and Proud Eagle and Present Arms which was the stage beyond Night Train, if memory serves.
These were large in terms of the tens of thousands of soldiers, airman, Marines, and sailors and government civilians that participated in one manner or another and extended in duration continuing for weeks with small exercise cells managing play between peaks of activity. These exercises took two to three years to plan and fund for and besides the JCS exercise issues each participating activity was expected to develop its own list of issues to play specific to the activities mission and function. Conferences began with conceptualization meetings chaired and steered by the JCS exercise element and moved forward in the deliberate programmed manner of the US armed forces. So this exercise would seem to have been germinating likely since 2010/11 and have been in the detailed planning phase since 2012/13. It has received a fair amount of scrutiny from the highest levels of DOD and the services. In the army, the service I am most familiar with, it would have been briefed to the Chief of Staff or the Vice Chief pretty regularly and also all major Army component commanders and all Army MACOMs on a regular basis.
In other words the very highest echelons of the armed forces have routinely been informed of this exercise and its assumptions and all have at the least been unconcerned with what the exercise assumptions and scenario implied. If there had been significant resistance information on the proposed scenario and its assumptions would have leaked out long ago. That should be disturbing in itself. The background is finally coming out as the exercise materials are widely disseminated ( as they have to be) to player staffs and the public affairs aspects of the exercise have to start to be undertaken to present the event as helpful and non-menacing to the areas where the field training will happen.
What Congressman Gomert should ask is how long DOD has been working on this drill and to demand the exercise event or play list and the exercise plan.
That would provide him with some very interesting reading.
The reason the first Bundy Ranch stand worked out in our favor is because some “paranoid” guys had a plan for just such an event. Sadly the Feds aren’t done with Bundy - slow learners.
So, thanks for setting up and knocking down the straw man that I’m saying the military doesn’t need to train. I’m saying that military needs to admit to us that when they are training how to interface with local American authorities, they are training to interface with local American authorities. This training doesn’t cross over to training to deal with Afghan village elders the Iraqi army or even the Ukrainian army. If you look at the objectives of this exercise they are clearly training to project force in the US.
Ah, it is Chris Kyle. I saw the movie and I also saw Unbroken. Furthermore, I have two relatives that are West Point Graduates. My Uncle was killed by the French Marines as the first officer killed in the landing of N. Africa. My great....great Grandfather fought in the N. Carolina militia against King George. Does that help you?
Do you know who the current CIC is and what he is—he is not G. Washington? Have you watched top generals run out of the military during the last 6 years?
Excellent!
I can think of no good reason why ‘they’ wouldn’t follow such basic advice. Oh yeah, well maybe: “during the course of the exercise, troops stumbled upon an ultra radical militia member who opened fire upon them. Troops returned fire, killing the suspect, who was later found to have stockpiles of guns, ‘1000s of rounds’ of ammunition, and food stores. This suspect was known to have online ties to radical TEA Party groups.”
Mandating clear identification through armbands or the like ought to be a no-brainer. With all the technology out there for reverse 911 calls, citizens could easily be made aware of the exercise going on in their neighborhood as well...
Exactly what I would expect. The truth is somewhere between This guy and Alex Jones.
I’m on very firm ground...no where near the edge...
200+ million Gun owners holding over 300 million firearms...
What is it you think the the entire federal govt of just over 2 million is going to do?
Carpet bomb or Nuke entire cities?
You do know that these jade helm CT nuts are the same people who claim 9/11 was an inside job...right?
Take Alex Jones seriously?
Dont make me laugh.
1200 troops spread over 7 states.....what are they going to take over?...a couple rest areas and parks?
They deployed 3000 NG troops in baltimore alone last week....barely one team per street corner in ONE part of the city...
So you are saying our troops are merely mind numbed robots who will blindly follow any orders they are given?
Generals dont fight wars....wars are fought by infantrymen with rifles.
It’s sickening to see such a low opinion of your fellow citzens who volunteer to protect your butt.
“we support the troops”
Yeah right...
With or without the armbands, they look like 4 active threats.
Are we to understand that these happy-a’holes are going to be running around 7 states & populated areas with live rounds?
Better warn our pals in the SW to get armbands...
“Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.”
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
I don’t have a low opinion of them, but, soldiers are trained and drilled to follow orders. Keep in mind they followed orders to kill their fellow Americans in the distant past. I would wager 90% will do as they are told. What do you think?
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