Posted on 09/11/2015 12:55:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
Scientists fear Day After Tomorrow climate change, shouts the headline on MSNBC. According to two new studies, global warming could (supposedly) shut down ocean circulation. This could drop vast stretches of Asia into drought and expose the entire Northern Hemisphere to severe ice and snow. This change would be sudden and sharp enough to roil civilizationhappening in as little as three years and resulting in as much as an 18-degree Fahrenheit drop in average temperatures, says this article by Tony Dokoupil.
Dokoupil tells the story of Jud Partin, a geophysicist at the University of Texas, who gathered new geological data and re-examined the deep past. Partin and his colleagues looked at an earlier, all-natural melt-off that happened about 12,000 years ago, says Dokoupil. Known as the Younger Dryas, the period was defined by a deep chill across the northern latitudes.
Ice core studies cited by Partin show an 18-degree Fahrenheit drop in average temperatures across Greenland. New York and London would be slightly warmer, he believes, but still frigid with average temperature drops of at least a dozen degrees. It would definitely change everyday life in Europe and North America, Partin told MSNBC. Daily life would be drastically affected in these areas, in ways I cant imagine or begin to address.
Dokoupil goes on to cite the 2004 disaster-flick Day After Tomorrow, then quickly cites a different study by scientists from Germanys Alfred Wegener Institute. Those scientists concluded that existing models may have underestimated the sensitivity of the oceans system. Even a relatively small change in the oceans salinity, the researchers wrote, corresponds to a significant temperature decrease of up to 40% across North America and Europe.
Trouble is that Dokoupil throws in enough quotes and references from the movie that you lose track of which part is reality and which is fiction. But the unmistakable takeaway is that global warming, caused by greenhouse gases, could trigger an ice age.
Talk about having it both ways.As far as Im concerned, this is just another contribution to the AGW hoax fraud.
Get tire chains!
They got that covered.
How Climate Change is Behind the Surge of Migrants to Europe
Aryn Baker @arynebaker Sept. 7, 2015
http://time.com/4024210/climate-change-migrants/
"Even as Europe wrestles over how to absorb the migrant tide, experts warn that the flood is likely to get worse as climate change becomes a driving factor."
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And this insanity is from Time Inc.
Its going to get so hot we are going to freeze to death....Susanna dont you cry!!!!
lol :)
Does this mean we should start using more fossil fuels to combat the cooling?
(C. Edmund Wright says Im a moron)
Its a pretty big club ;)
yeah I’m a member too
Explain “Detroit Lockers”.
Thank you.
0.0 Well, there’s a pucker factor. lol I discovered that 4WD wasn’t real effective going *way* downhill on ice when visiting a friend in Austin. Thankfully, I was creeping in the first place because I had to turn into a driveway. It still took a full block to stop enough to turn & I barely made it. Put the fear in me.
The last ice storm I drove in was on I10 coming back from the Hill Country on an insurance claim a few years ago. That was in a 2 WD Xterra. Not fun, either, but nothing too hairy.
I try to just stay home (& keep DH at home, too). lol All this talk of ice ages is creepin me out. But it’s good to know JIC. I’m back in a Jeep now. (geez. & I was thinking sand & sunshine)
I used to commute to work 75 miles one way. Initially it was a real challenge in a Chevy Colt with rear wheel drive, but I managed.
Later, when front wheel drive was available in cars with decent gas mileage, it was pretty good. I also put studded tires on the front. People would be in ditches all over the place, but I just took it easy and didn’t drive faster than the conditions allowed and made the trip safely Thanks be to God.
Early on, I did have a rather frightening episode when some one emerged suddenly from a hidden side road right in front of me and I had to dodge to keep from hitting him. That started a slide toward a really steep and deep drop off.
So I was sliding from side to side just barely managing to steer between the ditches. At last I slid to a section where there were tall cliffs on each side, and just let go of the wheel and let the car spin around like a doughnut.
Wound up facing back toward home, and decided that was an omen. Went back home and couldn’t make it up the hill, because all the locals were stuck and blocking the way when they tried to get to work.
Had to crawl get down and crawl up the hill, it was too slick for my boots even. Kept scraping leaves into my path to get some traction. Every one wanted to know how I made it down the hill without getting into a ditch. Just lucky is what I told them.
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That which predicts everything predicts nothing....
“Detroits” are locking differentials in the axles. Most 4x4s actually arent 4 wheel drive. They are open differentials so all the power goes to the wheel with least traction.
You may often see a car with one wheel spinning like crazy on ice while the other sits on solid ground not moving at all. On most 4x4s, that means one wheel in the front with power, one in the back with power and two spinning...which is actually 2 wheel drive.
What a Detroit does is like an extreme version of ‘Posi-trac”, It physicallylocks both sides of an axle together so you have full power to both sides. On a 4x4 that means actual ‘4-wheel drive’ and the difference is staggering. But unlike Posi there is NO slippage at all. None. It’s like a steel bar connecting both tires.
On snow/rain/slippery surfaces this becomes a problem the moment you try to turn because when you turn, the outside of the turn is a greater distance than the inside. A normal open differential exists for this purpose. It puts power to the inside wheel and allows the outside wheel to ‘freewheel’ around the turn. when you turn in the opposite direction, the reverse happens and the power switches sides.
Detroits slid the outside tire because the axle is locked. On slippery surfaces that leads to unpredictable handling and lots of ‘sideways’. It can also mean you can turn the steering wheel and keep going straight under the right conditions.
You learn to drive with them eventually. They are fantastic for sand, rocks and mud. Snow too. But you gotta understand them. Once you do they will let you drive through situations that you won’t believe a vehicle can go because all 4 tires are transfering power and moving you ahead instead of uselessly spinning or just sitting doing nothing while the other spins uselessly. Until you do though, you can get yourself into very, very bad situations rather quick.
He calls me lots of other names too. but being of such low intelligence, they all go over my head ;)
Oops....I gotta correct something
On most 4x4s, that means one wheel in the front with TRACTION, one in the back with TRACTION and two spinning...which is actually 2 wheel drive.
“Cloudy with a Chance of Gunfire?”
Nah, it’s Phoenix - it’ll still be sunny with a chance of gunfire.
Yes. Ice is the worst, when it’s warmer and wetter. It’s not so bad, when it’s colder and drier (the kind we see most of the time on the Rockies). Funny... I yearned for snow, when I was growing up on the coast to the south of you.
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