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If You’re Recycling, You’re Wasting Your Time
The Corner - National Review ^ | 10-19-15 | David French

Posted on 10/19/2015 6:40:24 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

I don’t recycle. I stopped recycling in 2001, when I lived in Ithaca, New York, and recycling was mandatory. We had to throw away our garbage in clear plastic bags so that the recycling police could make sure there was no paper or plastic in the trash, we had to pay for every single bag of trash we thew away (we called it our “garbage fine”), and — when we initially labored in good faith to comply with recycling mandates – we found it was tough to keep our small apartment clean and bug-free while piling empty cans, bottles, and boxes in the corner of our kitchen. So when we found there was a short window of time where we could go to the local landfill and get away with tossing out garbage in opaque, thick Hefty bags, we defied the law and never looked back.

Even now — as we live in the free state of Tennessee — when friends come over and ask where we put our recycling, we just say “In the trash” and revel just a tiny bit in our ancient rebellion. But now — thanks to the New York Times, of all publications — I feel vindicated. This month, John Tierney revisited his 1996 critique of recycling, and what he found was fascinating indeed (h/t AEI’s Mark J. Perry):

Despite decades of exhortations and mandates, it’s still typically more expensive for municipalities to recycle household waste than to send it to a landfill. Prices for recyclable materials have plummeted because of lower oil prices and reduced demand for them overseas. The slump has forced some recycling companies to shut plants and cancel plans for new technologies. The mood is so gloomy that one industry veteran tried to cheer up her colleagues this summer with an article in a trade journal titled, “Recycling Is Not Dead!”

And: While politicians set higher and higher goals, the national rate of recycling has stagnated in recent years. Yes, it’s popular in affluent neighborhoods like Park Slope in Brooklyn and in cities like San Francisco, but residents of the Bronx and Houston don’t have the same fervor for sorting garbage in their spare time. The future for recycling looks even worse. As cities move beyond recycling paper and metals, and into glass, food scraps and assorted plastics, the costs rise sharply while the environmental benefits decline and sometimes vanish. “If you believe recycling is good for the planet and that we need to do more of it, then there’s a crisis to confront,” says David P. Steiner, the chief executive officer of Waste Management, the largest recycler of household trash in the United States. “Trying to turn garbage into gold costs a lot more than expected. We need to ask ourselves: What is the goal here?”

Tierney doesn’t claim that all recycling is worthless, but he notes some rather inconvenient facts — like the mere act of rinsing off your plastic recyclables may actually increase the amount of carbon in the atmosphere. And while it “makes sense to recycle commercial cardboard and some paper,” an EPA official said that “other materials rarely make sense, including food waste and other compostables. The zero-waste goal makes no sense at all — it’s very expensive with almost no real environmental benefit.” But do we have enough room in landfills? Yes: One of the original goals of the recycling movement was to avert a supposed crisis because there was no room left in the nation’s landfills.

But that media-inspired fear was never realistic in a country with so much open space. In reporting the 1996 article I found that all the trash generated by Americans for the next 1,000 years would fit on one-tenth of 1 percent of the land available for grazing. And that tiny amount of land wouldn’t be lost forever, because landfills are typically covered with grass and converted to parkland, like the Freshkills Park being created on Staten Island. The United States Open tennis tournament is played on the site of an old landfill — and one that never had the linings and other environmental safeguards required today.

Though most cities shun landfills, they have been welcomed in rural communities that reap large economic benefits (and have plenty of greenery to buffer residents from the sights and smells). Consequently, the great landfill shortage has not arrived, and neither have the shortages of raw materials that were supposed to make recycling profitable.

Tierney concludes with paragraphs rarely seen in the Times — where he compares environmentalism to *gasp* a religion. Yes, he does: Then why do so many public officials keep vowing to do more of it? Special-interest politics is one reason — pressure from green groups — but it’s also because recycling intuitively appeals to many voters: It makes people feel virtuous, especially affluent people who feel guilty about their enormous environmental footprint. It is less an ethical activity than a religious ritual, like the ones performed by Catholics to obtain indulgences for their sins. Religious rituals don’t need any practical justification for the believers who perform them voluntarily.

But many recyclers want more than just the freedom to practice their religion. They want to make these rituals mandatory for everyone else, too, with stiff fines for sinners who don’t sort properly. Seattle has become so aggressive that the city is being sued by residents who maintain that the inspectors rooting through their trash are violating their constitutional right to privacy.

And that’s exactly what started my own little rebellion. Environmentalists, I truly don’t care if you choose to waste your time composting, sorting yogurt packets, and competing with each other to see who can throw away the smallest bags of garbage. Just don’t make me join your faith.


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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Awesome article...I agree 100 percent.


41 posted on 10/19/2015 7:47:16 PM PDT by corlorde (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I’m REAL happy with the post. I left that Liberty Forsaken place 36 years ago for the then politically unspoiled Colorado. Just can’t give up my Illinois sports teams. My, my, have times changed.

BTW I still cut up my six pack rings as well, old habits die hard!


42 posted on 10/19/2015 7:55:43 PM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini (Wake up fellow Patriots before it's too late)
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To: lacrew

New glass contains about 30% old glass, called ‘cullet’. It is cheaper to melt glass than produce it from raw materials. The chemicals that give glass color are expensive so the old glass is valued. There has always been glass available for remelting, even before the recycling crazy began n the 60’s.

Oh, washing bottles to be recycled is a waste of water. Glass melts at 2,700 F., incinerating any organic material. Metal should be removed as it causes the silica to turn to silicon beads which weaken the bottle.

Glass furnaces run 24/7/365 from the time they are fired-up untl they are torn down years later when the fire-brick that lines them gets too thin.


43 posted on 10/19/2015 7:57:48 PM PDT by alpo
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To: Fungi

It’s all the same religion, and the god behind their “god” is Satan


44 posted on 10/19/2015 8:12:48 PM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

He recycled the brad and fishes pretty good :)

Bet no librul ever did that


45 posted on 10/19/2015 8:15:49 PM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
More than twenty years ago one of my LIBERAL geography profs. did a study on recycling and concluded it cost more in money and was more polluting than just throwing everything in the garbage.

For one thing washing many recyclables uses fresh water. And the trucks picking up the recyclables use a lot of gasoline to do their pickups. All in all, the juice is not worth the squeeze.

46 posted on 10/19/2015 8:20:34 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I got in an argument with a liberal about 20 years ago over recycling. He ended up saying to me “So, what you’re saying is that you only recycle what you get paid to recycle?” I said “Yes.”

Basic economics and liberalism are not easily joined.


47 posted on 10/19/2015 8:41:40 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

If my recyclables have value, then why should I give them away?
Why don’t I get paid for them?


48 posted on 10/19/2015 8:45:45 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: driftless2

>>All in all, the juice is not worth the squeeze.<<

Which was perfectly obvious from the get go since no one was paying for garbage, except for aluminum cans and other metals.

If the outputs exceeded the inputs, someone would get in the middle for a profit, just as scrap metal collectors do today. You don’t see anyone running around paying people for old newspapers or plastic or glass bottles because the inputs exceed the outputs.


49 posted on 10/19/2015 8:45:56 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: alpo

I still live in a small city that was a major glass producer in the 1900’s. As a child, we used to play in the alleyways and dig up pieces of colored glass that was mixed in through the gravel. Now, our city is a democratic run, drug riddled, cesspool. We pay for garbage bags, and they pick up recycling twice a month...glass, cans, and newspapers. We used to be allowed to burn our waste paper, but the city took a pile of money from the EPA to make it illegal. I always felt that most recycling was counter intuitive. You waste a lot of water to wash out cans and glass jars. If you really care about the environment, quit drinking out of plastic bottles and get a water filter. Make coffee in a coffee pot, instead of K-cups. Buy food or products with less packaging. Buy quality products, so that you aren’t constantly buying new stuff that breaks quickly. Conservatism is all about being good stewards of your environment.


50 posted on 10/19/2015 8:46:49 PM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I save money recycling almost everything because, that way, I don’t have to buy trash bags. I use only plastic shopping bags that are free with every purchase. Meanwhile, I rinse out the plastic bottles, aluminum cans, etc., and dump them into the recycle bins - no trash bag needed. I can’t even remember the last time I had to buy trash bags.

That said, I might be paying more in my taxes for the recycling, but whatever the extra cost is, in my township it’s dwarfed by what I have to pay for the local school system and everything else.


51 posted on 10/19/2015 8:59:19 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

It irks, that one has to rinse the recyclables...has anyone calculated the water it wastes? .....especially if you use hot water?


52 posted on 10/19/2015 9:02:09 PM PDT by Daffynition (*We are not descended from fearful men*)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Otter: [to Boon] Gills of a whale??

Boon: Forget it, she’s rolling.

Diana in Wisconsin: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough...

[thinks hard of something to say]

Diana in Wisconsin: The tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go!

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Great pleasure and satisfaction is taken by me when someone asks me where the recycling goes.

The answer is always, “In the trash”.


53 posted on 10/19/2015 9:06:29 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I put everything in the trash. My husband comes along behind me and sorts it out. I have told him it’s not cost effective and misuses other resources. It’s one of those feel good things that has little effect other than feeling like you are doing something and I won’t play the game. This article is vindication of my views. :)


54 posted on 10/19/2015 9:08:58 PM PDT by kalee
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
One thing, I've noticed, especially this summer....is the number of state and federal parks that have NO trash receptacles.

I'm not sure exactly when this *happened* but it is getting pretty universal, now. We frequent a lovely state-owned lake in southern Vermont...with a *carry in-carry out* policy. The stupid people will leave their trash in the changing rooms...and port-a-potties. Disgusting. It's going to lead to admittance charges, policing and spoil it for everyone.

55 posted on 10/19/2015 9:19:57 PM PDT by Daffynition (*We are not descended from fearful men*)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Where I live we have the myth of recycling. Separate bins and all that. Then they just take all of it to the land fill and toss it in. No recycling whatsoever. Just a feel good program.


56 posted on 10/19/2015 9:20:05 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Re: six pack plastics....

I’ve actually seen birds trapped in them, twice in 40-odd years. So, Now I cut them up. Costs me 3 seconds and makes me feeeeeel good. :-). So, it’s harmless.

Mandatory recycling programs? Complete waste of taxpayer money. Costs millions. So- it’s not harmless, at least IMO.

Recycling aluminum is cost effective, because of the massive amounts of energy involved in smelting. Ditto other metals, to a lesser extent, and glass as well. Rest of it? Total waste of money and time.

I will say that I’ve seen the results of a 5c “bottle bill” that put a deposit on cans and bottles. Surprisingly, it cut down on the the amounts of roadside litter, thus generally approving the appearance of the roads. I guess if people didn’t toss their beer cans out of the car, they didn’t toss McD’s food wrappers and such, either. Dunno - just reporting what I saw.


57 posted on 10/19/2015 9:25:33 PM PDT by wbill
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To: toothfairy86

“Conservatism is all about being good stewards of your environment.”

As a conservative, I believe in conserving resources whenever reasonable and not unnecessarily wasting resources. I turn off the lights when I don’t use them. I cool things before refrigerating or freezing them. I do a dozen things every day like this that save energy and resources (and money), and yet I never deprive myself of anything. I simply don’t believe in waste. After all, I’m a conservative, which, believe or not, means one who conserves things!

Thoughtful conservatives believe in efficiency and abhor waste. Such desire for efficiency and abhorrence of waste is actually more grounded in the principles of conservatism than the vague do-gooderism of “Progressives” for “saving Mother Earth”, who more often than not choose feel-good solutions that actually are more often far worse for the environment than the rational behaviors of thoughtful conservatives.

Bottom line, I manage my life in such a way as to be as efficient as possible with my time and resource usage, though I never deprive myself in any way by such thoughtful behavior.

Recycling is one such effort. Where I live, recycling is single stream, so you toss garbage in one container and recyclables in the other. Garbage is picked up weekly and recyclables every other week. There are drop-centers for larger items. Throughout the county, contractors save money by hauling large quantities of recyclables to these centers which they would otherwise have to pay to landfill. The county has a county-wide processing center that processes all of these materials, and railroad cars of useful materials, including metals, glass, paper, and kraftboard are put back to good reuse every week.

Prices of such materials go up and down on a daily basis and some are worth more than others. In boom times, almost all basic recyclable materials can be sold for a profit, but in a depression, not so much. But recycling is not like copper mining where you just shut down the mines for a while when demand is low: recycling processing and collection infrastructure is in place through thick or thin times, including the many giant manufacturing facilities which have been optimized specifically to use these recycled materials.

In good times, recycling is self-sustaining, in slow times, a small subsidy is sometimes required, but the savings in terms of energy either way is enormous as it takes WAY less energy to re-use existing glass, steel, and aluminum than to make new, not to mention that high quality iron ore and high quality aluminum ore won’t last forever. So, recycling helps to make sure that our children, grandchildren, and greatgrandchildren will have some resources left for them to use as well.

And yes, at in some circumstances recycling requires a subsidy, but EVERYTHING that preserves the environment requires an economic subsidy. Clean air, clean water, clean oceans, clean everything all have hidden economic costs, because it’s far cheaper to dump toxins and poisons and crap in our air, water and land than to take the extra step of keeping our nest clean.

I can’t imagine very many people here would like to see our land, water, and air fouled like early industrial revolution England, our Eastern seaboard cities in the mid-1800’s-1900’s or China in the 1980’s, have PCBs dumped into the Hudson River, see Cleveland’s rivers catch on fire, etc., and yet to preserve our health from these kinds of toxic environments does have an economic cost. Anybody want to get rid of all of our sewage treatment plants and dump the shit stream of 350,000,000 people in the U.S into our rivers and oceans like mankind did for thousands of years until only about 65 years ago? After all, we’re all being billed BY THE GOVERNMENT every month to build and use those sewage treatment plants. Think of all of the money we could save.

On the other hand, conservatives understand the economic point of diminishing returns, for example, making our land, water, and air that extra 1% cleaner makes no sense if that extra cleanliness comes at a cost of the first 99%.

In the county I live in, the recycling program is run as an enterprise fund of the county and actually turns a profit that is used to fund a number of other related programs.

Much of their revenues come from contracts and services to large commercial organizations who find it much cheaper to pay to have recyclable materials hauled to the recycling center for processing rather than paying to have those materials hauled to a landfill because landfill tipping fees are so expensive around here.

The same is actually true for private individuals here: our overall solid waste fees are actually reduced because it’s cheaper for the haulers to rid themselves of the recyclable materials at the county processing center rather than paying the tipping fees to dispose of those materials at a landfill.


58 posted on 10/19/2015 9:57:36 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I don’t mind throwing my plastic and cans and crap in the recycling bin but some of my neighbors take great pains to sort out the paper from the cardboard, different colors of glass, aluminum from steel cans, etc. But if they’d ever bother to watch, they’d see the garbage men throw all the recycled stuff into the same container on the truck!


59 posted on 10/19/2015 10:01:23 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: SkyDancer

It depends on the product.


60 posted on 10/19/2015 10:16:36 PM PDT by stormer
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