Russia Escalates: Suspends Military Cooperation With Turkey, Moves Warship Off Coast

Zero Hedge ^ | 11/24/2015

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Despite demands from France's Hollande, America's Obama, and NATO's Stoltenberg that this situation not esclate, it appears Putin is not taking the shooting down of a fighter jet lying down. The seemingly cagey confirmation by NATO and Obama of Turkey's claims that Russia invaded its airspace has been rebuked by Russia which claims the Hmeimim airbase radar shows the attacking Turkish plane violating Syrian airspace. In response, Russia is moving a Cruiser 'Moskva' off the coast to strengthen air-defenses - just as French and US carriers are on their way.

 

Here is The Turkish version mapping of the flight paths...

 

Russia claims otherwise...

• HMEIMIM AIRBASE'S RADAR SYSTEM RECORDS VIOLATION OF SYRIAN AIRSPACE BY ATTACKING TURKISH WARPLANE - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

And is escalating...

• RUSSIAN 'MOSKVA" CRUISER TO GO TO AREA IN COASTAL LATAKIA TO STRENGTHEN AIR DEFENSE IN SYRIA - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

• RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES GENERAL STAFF: NONE OF OUR PARTNERS, COUNTRIES FIGHTING ISIL HAVE EVER TOLD US THAT SO-CALLED MODERATE OPPOSITION UNITS WERE IN AREA WHERE SU-24 DOWNED
• NO ATTEMPTS REGISTERED ON PART OF TURKISH PLANE TO GET IN TOUCH OR ESTABLISH VISUAL CONTACT WITH OUR CREW VIA OBJECTVE CONTROL DEVICES - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINSTRY
• WARSHIP TO DESTROY ANY THREATS SEEN TO RUSSIAN PLANES: IFX

 

#BREAKING Russian Defence Min says suspends military contact with Turkey, reports Russian Interfax. #Russia pic.twitter.com/T9ItuDlYt3

— CNN Türk ENG (@CNNTURK_ENG) November 24, 2015

 

So just as we warned in September, the situation is a full re-run of the 2013 Syria "Mediterranean" showdown, with full naval engagement by all parties, except this time the tensions are significantly escalated, a Russian fighter jet has just been taken down, and Putin will not hestitate to go as far as he has to to save face.

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Russia Escalates: Suspends Military Cooperation With Turkey, Moves Warship Off Coast To "Destroy Any Threats To Russian Planes"

[SkyDancer]

Good. It’s nice to see some country standing up for its military and citizens unlike our cowering Child-In-Chief.

[sunrise_sunset]

Around siding with Turkey in this is in bed with ISIS.

[Pollster1]

Moskva and Charles de Gaulle close together, while Obama is doing his best to protect his pet terrorists from military attack. This could get ugly.

[BigEdLB]

My concern is about Putin using a theater nuke on Raqqa, after his pilots were murdered. We would be at a whole new level then.

[ManHunter]

While I’m not exactly a fan of Putin’s - or Erdogan’s for that matter, in a situation like this, in which Russia and (presumably) Turkey are trying to destroy ISIS, a brief overflight of a corner of Turkish airspace shouldn’t necessitate the downing of a Russian aircraft. During the Cold War, we and the Russians violated one another’s airspace along the German border on several occasions and, while we locked on to one another’s aircraft, we never actually shot one down.

Given Turkey’s increasingly fundamentalist direction and allegations that they’re supporting ISIS from behind the scenes, I’m not necessarily inclined to side with Turkey, especially given that the Russians and now the French are the only ones putting a hurt on ISIS.

[fingers_crossed]

This is eerie similar to the way in which WWI started. with all kinds of alliances getting invoked when Austrian duke Franz Ferdinand and his wife were assassinated in Serbia.

Due to various alliances all of the European heavy hitters, including Great Britain and Russia ended up in one big war.

Now we could have Turkey, carrying out an attack that has nothing to do with NATO, possibly dragging NATO into a confrontation with Russia and its allies. Unless Russia does not retaliate.

Considering all the Arab nations in the Middle East, NATO, Russian allies such as Serbia, Iran and perhaps China. For good measure toss in ISIS in the Middle East and its terrorists around the world. Hopefully this is settled with minimum fallout, but the potential is there for big trouble.

So many parties could see this as the perfect time to go on the attack and stir things up.

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[The Toll]

Exactly. There was a reason we were concerned about violating Pakistani airspace for the Bin Laden mission.

It’s because we new were Pakistani sympathies were. The Russians know the same about Turkey.

[sockmonkey]

I figure the US may have Turkey’s back, but the Chinese would have Russia’s back if this keeps escalating.

[SkyDancer]

Just finished “Guns Of August” yet again ... can see how things escalated very quickly.

[anymouse]

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I do not see why the use of a tiny bit of airspace is a big deal. Why are they not on Russia’s side int he war on terror?

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Fourteen months is way too long to wait for an Obama exit when things are like this. Obama is going to be traitorous war president.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Exactly. The Chinese and Iran will back Russia. Who cares about that unsigned agreement with Iran. It never meant anything but “give us the money” anyway.

[AU72]

Given the players involved, I do not see this ending well.

[fingers_crossed]

You’re right, it did escalate quickly. An interesting alliance that has just recently resurfaced in the last week, is that of Britain, France and Russia being on the same side.

With Russia beyond doubt taking on ISIS, will Britain and France automatically follow whatever actions NATO takes.

If the initial situation I initially laid out did come about, would be bad for Obama and NATO. Because you go from playing chess on 1 level to 3 or 4 level chess. That is above Obama’s pay grade and maybe even “neutered” NATO’s paygrade but not Putin’s and his allies.

Who would the Eastern European nations side with. They were very much in disagreement with the EU over the Syrian refugee issue. The EU was treating them they way they have always treated Eastern European countries. Which is “you can’t possibly understand these more complicated geo-political issues.”

[fingers_crossed]

I would tend to agree with you except for this; if this truly turned into a major conflict, a very complicated conflict, in such extraordinary circumstances, would the military continue to say Yes Sir, Commander in Chief.

IF Obama was wanting to chart a course quite contrary to what the military thought was prudent, would they follow.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I don’t know. Good question. Obama is really going off the deep end now that he no longer worries about re-election. I think he is becoming dangerous.

[GOPJ]

Turkey’s becoming a fundamentalist Islamic State...

[katana]

First you have to define “we”. “We” elected a crypto-Muslim and not-so-crypto-Marxist whose administration is made up of Sunni Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers if not actual members. They have worked to cripple our military, our alliances, arm the enemies of Christianity and the West, open our borders, and if they could get away with it would disarm our population. So that “we” is now the one shown to the world as America. Turkey, under its current government, wants to resume the place the Ottomans held as claimants to the Sunni Caliphate and are covert supporters :of ISIL. Quite the mess “we” wrought back in 2008. Russia is Christian and defending Western values and “we” are effectively on the side of Islamic murder and conquest. It makes one vomit.